Tonyrodz
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I'm lovin' it!! And super jealous! Keep up the good work Red.
Rocket Man's 02 Denali Build Thread AKA "THE BEAST"
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My injectors flow at 50 lbs/hr and I just found some Delphis that do 72 lbs/hr for less than $400. I wonder how much boost I could run with those? I data logged and sent out an email to Justin @BB with some questions about injectors and boost. New pulley is $150 for the Whipple so I want to do this only once. I'm guessing that if I can run 9 lbs of boost with 50 lb/hr injectors (that's the max that Justin said I could go without bigger ones) I should be able to run 14 lbs of boost with 72 lb/hr injectors. BTW I changed my gauge to read boost digitally and todays runs I was only able to get 6 lbs with my headers and cam opening up airflow. I figured I'd lose that much since that's what happens when you decrease the resistance( I was getting 8 lbs before). The power still went up for sure but it also opens up the possibility of even more power with added boost. So I could go down to a 2.75" pulley from the 3.75" I have now with the bigger injectors which should net me 14 lbs of boost. That's the smallest pulley Whipple makes for my application. That should make for some serious power. I'd like to end up around 500-550 hp.
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I'd like to take a moment in this build thread to express my appreciation to some people in the industry who have gone way beyond what's considered good customer service after the sale. First and foremost is @BlackBearPerf who have helped me countless times and continue to do so with my tunes, as well as helping me even on a weekend when I was having a rough time installing the blower, which I bought through them. Next is Roger Vinci @Vinci High Performance who I bought the cam, valve springs, and pushrods from. Roger has helped me both through e-mail and the phone when I had questions about installing the parts myself. He even helped me when I had a question about the roller rockers last Friday even though I didn't even buy them from him. I felt bad asking him but he wasn't worried. He helped design the Yella Terra series of rockers. And he just emailed me to ask if things went OK with the install. It's Sunday. And there's Michael Malicoat @Whipple Superchargers who also helped me after hours through Email when I had a question, and when I was having problems installing the blower he overnighted me the parts I needed to reinstall it and walked me through the install. I Emailed him yesterday asking whether the fuel rails and injectors could be removed without pulling the blower and he just answered me. He said yes, with patience. It's Sunday. There you go- three companies that I highly recommend. These days we're lucky to get any support at all, so to get this kind of service, I felt that they should get a shout-out.
Tonyrodz
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Absolutely! I feel customer service is 90% of the sale. If I had better/any customer service from Speed Engineering, I'd recommend them with no problem, but that wasn't the case. Customer service speaks volumes!!
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I decided that I'm not going to buy new fuel injectors at this time and instead I'll spend that cash to re-gear from 3.73 to either 3.90 or 4.11. I should be spinning all 4 tires at takeoff right now and I think it's because of my 26's- they effectively changed my gear ratio and now it's too tall. So I ordered a 3.375" pulley (I am running 3.75" now) which should get my boost up to 9 lbs which is what BB said I'd be safe at with my 50 lb/hr injectors. I can always revisit bigger injectors and more boost at a later time.
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If your going to go through the the work and money for a gear swap, I'd go like 4.30. 3.73 to 4.10 would be a very small change.
Also, the Denali sounds mean!
Also, the Denali sounds mean!
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Great job on doing it all your self. That's a great accomplishment ! And it is mean I
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Your truck is looking right Red. It's a combination of the 26's, torque management and lack of a stall. Gearing would definitely help since you probably have a pretty tall tire. Has Justin sent u a tune update for the cam? Mine has a noticeable lope to it.
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Crap. I waited 2 days for Justin @blackbear to let me know about my injectors/ pulley size/ boost and of course an hour after I ordered that pulley he emailed me to say that the 9 lbs of boost that was safe for my injectors was 8 lbs before the cam and it's the volume of air I'm moving that's the problem. In other words, I can't go to 9 lbs with the new cam. I can only go 1 more lb, to 7 which isn't worth the $150 pulley. Currently, though, I'm waiting on some tools to be delivered that will hopefully allow me to remove the one bolt that I can't get out yet, it's a 4mm allen head that's under the blower housing on the passenger side and nothing I have will get to it without pulling the blower assembly. It's one of the 4 that hold the fuel rails down, which need to come off in order to swap injectors. I have a line on some 72b/hr injectors for $400 and I don't have a problem with buying them, as long as I can install them without pulling the blower.
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He did send me a new tune for the cam awhile back and actually had me install it while I still had the stock cam in. He said with my cam profile it wouldn't hurt. (He had to change my AFR before I installed the cam since it was too low and he'd already written the cam tune so he rewrote it with a higher AFR and had me install it.) Torque management has been removed I believe. Do you have the Vinci Trucker cam?
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Yeah I have the trucker cam. I just wired in a wideband and can data log with it too so I can see what my af is actually doing. I think the stall definitely helped since the power band started around 1900rpm. I'm sure if you pulley down on the blower it would move out on 9-10psi but u have to think about the trans. I would think we'll over 600hp..
This tasteful H2 running a tvs at 10psi is at 700whp..15psi is gonna need a forged bottom end, fuel and a trans to handle it.
To run 15 psi and melt tires with awd consider this setup..
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I think I'll put money into a 4l80e instead of buying a torque converter for my 4l65e. Then I can do a conversion if or when mine goes out.
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Today I got the new and improved front manual door lock bezels. It's the little things sometimes that make me happy. It always bugged me that they would constantly pop off and look like crap, it made it look like my door panels were falling apart. Not sure what year they incorporated these into the trucks but they sure work better. If you look at the 2 different parts next to each other you'll see they made one of the prongs longer so it would hook behind the panel and then the other ones snap in. It works way better. The old ones were even curved in where the clip was, making it worthless.
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Looks like 99-2002 according to the TSB. You can search all of the ones for your vehicle here:
http://www.revbase.com/bbbmotor
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OK maybe not. I have the NVG149 tcase and there's an issue with the input shaft fitting the 4l80. There was a member on performancetrucks.net that made an adapter but it looks like he only does it if you send your case to him now and it's like $650 plus shipping plus 4 weeks. Once again I'm considering one of the built 4l65e's that supposedly will take 650 hp. @sumo bought one for his blown Tahoe. I'd like something that just bolts in and will take the power since this is my DD.
Edit: further research has led me to this place https://transmissioncenter.net/shop/4l60e-to-4l80e-conversion-kit-tahoe-hummer-2-pickup-others/ that sells a conversion kit for my truck to mount up an 80e to my tcase , engine and ecm for $1264 and I'd still need the transmission. And a built 80e is another $3000 -up.
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Nv249?
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Oops, I meant NVG149. Not sure where NV249 came from. Too many damn numbers floating around in my brain.
bottomline2000
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Shift kit 4l80> built 4l65 but I understand the dilemma. I have 3 of the 4 parts they mention.
-Harness-speartech $175
-Crossmember- $150 pt.net member made part
-Spacer-not needed if your converter specd for 4l60 plate..
-blackbear can segment swap your computer- free
So that output shaft cost how much?!
They still don't address the driveshaft issues. I'm not completely familiar with the awd swap..just thinking it thru.
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