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I have personally owned at least 9 GM vehicles across several brands, and purchased all but 1 new. I'm not a brand loyalist and have owned vehicles from multiple other brands during the same period. All GM vehicles were driven until the warranty expired, but none over 100,000 miles. Generally, none of them gave me major issues until model-year 2020.

Post 2020, we had a truck bought back because it leaked water into the cab and GM couldn't figure out how to fix it. The next was a 2021 with a 5.3... the powertrain has been generally ok for 70,000 miles, but the electronics, wiring, various camera system components, sensors, a repeat rear window leak, and infotainment glitches have been a nightmare to the point that GM customer service was involved for nearly 9 months. Our 2024 Yukon has the recalled 6.2, but has otherwise been perfect in the 18 months we've had it.

I personally think the rate of 6.2 failure may end up being much higher than the 3% GM quotes, as we personally know 4 people who've had failures since 2021, one twice. Then again, we know another who trades every 3 years and has been through two 6.2s that would fall under the recall with no issues. My current concern is that despite GM's statement that the 6.2 issue is fixed for 2025, we're now hearing from reputable sources that 2025 6.2s are still failing, so I have no faith they've remedied the issue for 2025 or 2026 either.

No manufacturer is immune these days. Everything from Toyota down the "reliability" list is having issues. Everything is built to the dollar and made to be disposable at a certain rate, time, miles, etc. It seems if you want to purchase new these days, you simply have to EXPECT issues. Unfortunately I've shifted from buying based on brand or reputation or even what we want, to purchasing from and following a dealer network who will guarantee loan cars, good service, and communication, since the likelihood of needing service gets higher with each coming year. In our area, there is at least one GMC dealer that will treat you 100x better than any Toyota dealer ever would, so that's why I keep buying GMC's when so many say run.
 
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Everything is built to the dollar and made to be disposable at a certain rate, time, miles, etc.
It seems if you want to purchase new these days, you simply have to EXPECT issues.
Unfortunately I've shifted from buying based on brand or reputation or even what we want,
to purchasing from and following a dealer network who will guarantee loan cars, good service, and communication,
since the likelihood of needing service gets higher with each coming year.
In our area, there is at least one GMC dealer that will treat you 100x better than any Toyota dealer ever would,
so that's why I keep buying GMC's when so many say run.
In other words, you take it as a given that vehicle dependability is faltering,
so you're shifting focus to a dependable dealer, regardless of the vehicle.
Did I get that right?
 

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In other words, you take it as a given that vehicle dependability is faltering,
so you're shifting focus to a dependable dealer, regardless of the vehicle.
Did I get that right?
Exactly. Although that's not always easy to do if you have a small pool of dependable dealers to choose from.
 

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I currently have my 2007 Yukon XL Denali truck and 2 Honda cars in my family. We've been loyal to Honda for most of our cars since 1975, and I can say that except for the mods that I decided to install on my Hondas (there were many on most of them), I've virtually never had to spend anything on them, except for gas, oil changes, brakes, and tires. I've NEVER had to do tune-ups or change injectors or spark plugs or wires or clutches (for the manual transmissions), or anything else in these cars, and they've all been driven (for my personal Hondas, driven very hard) for well over 100,000 miles. And, none of them have ever been into a dealer for any service/repairs. I'm not saying that this is unique, or only applies to Honda cars, but that has been my experience with them.

I will also say that I had a Plymouth Voyager (with a Mitsubishi motor) that I drove to 178,000 miles with no repairs/failures, except for a failed alternator at 112,000 miles, and ultimately a failed transmission at 178,000 miles, when I go rid of it. No tune-ups or replacement of any related parts.
 

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What do you think of this fellows perspective?

I think he has he’s own situation figured out. But he forgot to mention paying taxes on two new car purchases rather than paying less taxes on a one purchase of the used vehicle. Plus high insurance rates on a new vehicle with a loan, full coverage payments. If you can’t afford to buy the latest and greatest don’t, just pay cash for something you can. I just bought a 2016 ltz for cash, private party transaction. You just have to do a little leg work and take the car of dealers out of the equation. No fees, less tax, less insurance and no usury fees. The Tahoe does need new magnetic ride shocks but other than that very nice condition. I say tell dealers to pound sand. From what I have been reading cars and trucks are sitting on dealer lots for much longer than usual. Even used car dealers are sending cars to auction which is unheard of. They have caused the problem for themselves. As my favorite movie character the joker says you get what you deserve
 

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Right. Looking backwards a few years for potentials.
My neighbor just traded his 2019 for a 2025. New one rides better, is much quieter, and has far better performance. His 2019 was dependable but was basically a 2009 truck with an old V-6 and 5 speed automatic. But if that is what you want, they can't be beat.
 

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And the vast majority of people don't keep cars 10 to 20 years......The vast majority don't even keep them six to eight years.

People that are actively investing in 10 plus year old vehicles are a minority. People don't have the time, wherewithal, or patience to deal with old vehicles with multiple systems falling apart.
in todays news....
According to Business Times, the average American keeps their gasoline-powered vehicle for about 12.5 years, which marks a noticeable increase compared to previous decades. This trend is particularly evident in personal vehicles, which now have an average retention period of 13.6 years.
 

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Pilot error.

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in todays news....
According to Business Times, the average American keeps their gasoline-powered vehicle for about 12.5 years, which marks a noticeable increase compared to previous decades. This trend is particularly evident in personal vehicles, which now have an average retention period of 13.6 years.
Could not read the entire article but it said average age was 12.5 years, not length of ownership. I have read that ownership is closer to 8-9 years.
 

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Could not read the entire article but it said average age was 12.5 years, not length of ownership. I have read that ownership is closer to 8-9 years.

The actual language used in the headline says:

“US consumers keep vehicles for a record 12.5 years on average: S&P“​


But unfortunately the article is locked behind a paywall so we can’t see all of what’s being said.

there’s no doubt that duration of ownership and longer lasting vehicles in general go hand-in-hand, though may not be directly related in every case relevant to the average age of vehicles on the road.

I see a lot of the same vehicles that I’ve seen in front the same residences from many years ago.

Of course we live in a day and age where everyone is trying to one-up the next man, so sure, i see people drowning in notes trading in fresh out of warranty vehicles for brand new cars, especially round here where other people’s perception of you and your finances dictate what people think of themselves, but it’s still far from what the majority of folks are doing.
 

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We keep out daily drivers till they rot out or aren't worth fixing.. which usually means an expensive repair needed when they're rotted out. That's usually around the 12 year mark. We usually buy them a year or two old but some new so we do keep them 10+ years. Full size SUVs and trucks usually last longer.
 

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I kept my 2015 RAM 1500 for 9 years and then my present 2024 GMC 1500 Denali. 15,000 care free miles so far although the 6.2 is still pending the dealer check. Living in the country but driving a fair amount in urban areas I'm looking at the 2026 Yukon Denali 6.2. 18" shorter and shorter turning radius, will haul anything I'v been putting in my truck bed for road trips.

I'm at the age now where I like new tech and intend to trade within the warranty period which would be 3-4 years for me. Don't want to buy the 2027 model with new V8s until they've been out for awhile.
 

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(Vaguely related:
recently found someone who wants to GIFT me a 97 Chrysler Concorde LXi (3.5L V6) with 150,000 miles and a recently rebuilt trans,
but it NEEDS new brake lines to be safely drivable, plus other non-critical non-safety stuff like AC.
Not really sure if it's worth it or not ...)
 

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(Vaguely related:
recently found someone who wants to GIFT me a 97 Chrysler Concorde LXi (3.5L V6) with 150,000 miles and a recently rebuilt trans,
but it NEEDS new brake lines to be safely drivable, plus other non-critical non-safety stuff like AC.
Not really sure if it's worth it or not ...)
I've seen a few friends buy up beaters from that era with success. Id hardline the front brakes, nylon hose the rears and be on the way!
 

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(Vaguely related:
recently found someone who wants to GIFT me a 97 Chrysler Concorde LXi (3.5L V6) with 150,000 miles and a recently rebuilt trans,
but it NEEDS new brake lines to be safely drivable, plus other non-critical non-safety stuff like AC.
Not really sure if it's worth it or not ...)
Uggh, if the brake lines are rotted, what next? I would not want to jump down that rabbit hole.
 

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The actual language used in the headline says:

“US consumers keep vehicles for a record 12.5 years on average: S&P“​


But unfortunately the article is locked behind a paywall so we can’t see all of what’s being said.

there’s no doubt that duration of ownership and longer lasting vehicles in general go hand-in-hand, though may not be directly related in every case relevant to the average age of vehicles on the road.

I see a lot of the same vehicles that I’ve seen in front the same residences from many years ago.

Of course we live in a day and age where everyone is trying to one-up the next man, so sure, i see people drowning in notes trading in fresh out of warranty vehicles for brand new cars, especially round here where other people’s perception of you and your finances dictate what people think of themselves, but it’s still far from what the majority of folks are doing.
The second paragraph of the article said "The average age of US cars and light trucks this year climbed to a record 12.5 years" so I don't know if they meant age or length of ownership. Like I said, other articles said average length of ownership was around 8-9 years.
 

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Fuel lines, of course! (I know yours was a rhetorical question, but I couldn't help myself. ;))
LOL! I have reached that age where I have no interest in dealing with rust issues on a daily driver. My friend used to do that and then in a period of 3 months he had 3 newer vehicles. He had had enough of fixing rusty parts. The drawback of living in Wisconsin.
 

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We've had several cars over the years that needed brake or fuel lines replaced. But be careful about what else it needs because it can add up fast.
 

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