Engine Used Oil Analysis Report & Filter Guts

[donjetman]

Oil & Filter had 5100 miles. OLM = 51% remaining.
07 Denali w/6.2L L92 w/195k miles
Use is 70% hwy (18+ mpg) and 30% local/rural (15 mpg)
Oil was a mix of the two (see pic).
Engine didn't need any makeup.
Catch can caught 2 ounces in this 5k mile oil change interval.
Filter has some carbon in the bottom of the pleats.
The Valvoline "RESTORE" oil is no longer available but I have a stash of it. Its designed to "CLEAN". The insides of this ole engine needs cleaning. It had been road hard and hungup wet before I bought it 65K miles ago.

 

[petethepug]

Yea, there’s some scrubbing bubble action going on in there. I imagine the oil analysis companies will get a lot more business as electric cars roll in.

Somebody tell me why Jiffy Lube or someone else doesn’t offer to send your oil off for analysis as part of the package.

Doh! Just answered my own question. It doesn’t benefit the engine re manufacturers objectives.

 

[j91z28d1]

finally someone looks at an oil filter media without it being covered in oil still lol. I tell people all the time just lay it on the pig mat, it will suck it dry in no time, then pull it tight and you can see every speck.

do you ever watch that lake speed guy. he's doing oil sample videos that seem pretty interesting. I have no idea if he has an agenda so who knows, but seems like decent info. I've learned some stuff. I'd be curious what you think of them.

he did one on the M1 euro spec oil, I believe sample sent before use. and one on oil shelf life. I'm not great reading the charts, but from their notes, it sounds like that oil was pretty ready to be changed at 5k?


i ended up with some free pennzoil ultra platinum 5w30, so I used it last change with that fram filter people seem to be giving good specs for. I should send a sample out and see how it did compared to the mobile 1 I've been using.

 

[donjetman]

finally someone looks at an oil filter media without it being covered in oil still lol.

Yes I squeeze the excess oil out in a vice, takes 5 mins

do you ever watch that lake speed guy. he's doing oil sample videos that seem pretty interesting. I have no idea if he has an agenda so who knows, but seems like decent info. I've learned some stuff. I'd be curious what you think of them.

He makes okay videos, but he bows to many masters. Nothing wrong with that. We all need to earn a living.
BobIsTheOilGuy forum is where I've been hanging out at for the last 14 yrs to learn about oil, filters, atf, coolant, etc.

he did one on the M1 euro spec oil, I believe sample sent before use. and one on oil shelf life.

I have seen it before

i ended up with some free pennzoil ultra platinum 5w30, so I used it last change with that fram filter people seem to be giving good specs for. I should send a sample out and see how it did compared to the mobile 1 I've been using.

I've never used Pennzoil. A yr ago they contacted me and want to send me free oils and filters to take part in some project they were doing. I'd have to do things their way. I said "no thanks". I like doing things my way (mad untrained scientist) experimenting as I see fit.

Fram makes 3 top tier oil filters: the Ultra, Endurance, & Titanium.

 

[j91z28d1]

yeah, it was free oil from a wrong delivery, nothing but a mix up they decided wasn't worth sending a driver back for. so figured it can't hurt to use it. I think I picked up a titanium this time, used the endurance the time before.

yeah, I am no surprised he has some bias, but still feel like I've learned something. the samples of the Toyota 0w8, I don't see many people messing with that stuff.
I've been on Bob the oil guy board a few times, but being a message board, I found a lot of random info. never spend enough time to sort out who had the more experienced opinion.

interesting stuff thou. I changed it back in Feb, probably almost time to change it. I need to make sure I have a sample bottle. I'm more curious bow.



on a side note, how come you don't run Amsoil? every time I've gotten bored enough to go down the ribbit hole what what's the best oil, it always leads to bobtheoilguy and the to amsoil at some point.

 

[donjetman]

on a side note, how come you don't run Amsoil? every time I've gotten bored enough to go down the ribbit hole what what's the best oil, it always leads to bobtheoilguy and the to amsoil at some point.

I have run Amsoil many times in my vehicles since 2009. That's when I became a preferred Amsoil customer. It's good stuff. Here's a thread I did when I ran it in my Denali not long ago:
https://www.tahoeyukonforum.com/thr...w183k-miles-amsoil-0w-20-w-8-5k-miles.139128/
I'm currently running Amsoil (10 gals) in the 12.7L Detroit that's in our Prevost bus/mh.

I run Amsoil atf, gear oil, and grease in my vehicles too.

If I were to describe any 1 oil brand as "THE BEST" it would be HPL by:
https://www.hplubricants.com/about-us/
Customer Service beyond compare. After talking to you, they'll custom blend you whatever is decided. They have on the shelf products too. Of course you don't get something for nothing.

 

[j91z28d1]

ahh I didn't realize you used it that much. I have it in my hybrid tranny, 14qt wasn't cheap, but I think it was something in one of your threads about dex6 viscosity that sent me down that road after some searching around.

I honestly have only heard of the hpl from the Steve Morris youtube. sounds like awesome stuff, but yeah. would be silly in a daily or even my beater c6 haha.

 

[donjetman]

ahh I didn't realize you used it that much. I have it in my hybrid tranny, 14qt wasn't cheap, but I think it was something in one of your threads about dex6 viscosity that sent me down that road after some searching around.

I honestly have only heard of the hpl from the Steve Morris youtube. sounds like awesome stuff, but yeah. would be silly in a daily or even my beater c6 haha.

There's someone on BITOG that has gone 30,000 miles between changes with his hotshot delivery car using one of the HPL off the self oils. And there are plenty of others doing extended oil change intervals. The best oil chemistry is not found on the shelves of brick and mortar retailer.
I have 6 qts of the HPL PCMO that I'll use one of these days, probably in my C5 LS1, or maybe the Denali.

 

[j91z28d1]

30k sounds wild. is he pulling sample along the way?

I'm guessing it's a ******* diesel, we use hot shots a lot moving stuff between here and Houston and most seem to be.

does he have some wild aftermarket filter system or something?

 

[donjetman]

30k sounds wild. is he pulling sample along the way?

Yes, a lot of them

I'm guessing it's a ******* diesel

No, if I recall its a Mopar 3.6L gasoline in the SF bay area.

does he have some wild aftermarket filter system or something?

Nope, Fram Ultra

Here's the BITOG thread, 33k miles:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...-300-miles-on-oil-173-000-miles-total.377756/

 

[89Suburban]

Yes, a lot of them

No, if I recall its a Mopar 3.6L gasoline in the SF bay area.

Nope, Fram Ultra

Here's the BITOG thread, 33k miles:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...-300-miles-on-oil-173-000-miles-total.377756/

What do you use to cut the filter open without contaminating the inside?

 

[donjetman]

In the last year I purchased the red GSTP brand oil filter cutter on amazon $25,
and I like the red one better than
The blue one that I've had for 25 yrs (aircraft supply).

 

[Ont240]

I have run Amsoil many times in my vehicles since 2009. That's when I became a preferred Amsoil customer. It's good stuff. Here's a thread I did when I ran it in my Denali not long ago:
https://www.tahoeyukonforum.com/thr...w183k-miles-amsoil-0w-20-w-8-5k-miles.139128/
I'm currently running Amsoil (10 gals) in the 12.7L Detroit that's in our Prevost bus/mh.

I run Amsoil atf, gear oil, and grease in my vehicles too.

If I were to describe any 1 oil brand as "THE BEST" it would be HPL by:
https://www.hplubricants.com/about-us/
Customer Service beyond compare. After talking to you, they'll custom blend you whatever is decided. They have on the shelf products too. Of course you don't get something for nothing.

I would avoid any Fram . Amsoil or wix filter. O7 with over 300k motor never touched!

 

[j91z28d1]

I would avoid any Fram . Amsoil or wix filter. O7 with over 300k motor never touched!

yeah, funny thing that. fram now makes good filters, on the level and even some applications off the same line as the Amsoil filter and the wix lags behind most as far as micron ratings go.

the days of the old orange 2$ fram being the cheapest worst filter on the market are long gone.


but yes, nothing is better than fresh oil changes.

 

[Marky Dissod]

I'll use any brand oil filter - but NEVER any brand's 'basic' or 'economy' or 'low-budget' offering.
Fram has SEVEN different types oil filter for Gen3 V8s (trying to confuse me, eh?)
Purolator has three
Wix has two
So long as I avoid the bottom-rung ...

 

[Writefast]

Serious question. What is the purpose in this? I only understand about half of what I’m reading here.

 

[Marky Dissod]

Serious question. What is the purpose in this? I only understand about half of what I’m reading here.

We measure things that are EASY for idjits to measure, like distance traveled, or MpGs,
then we act like those measurements reliably indicate how much wear and tear the engine / transmission / vehicle has accumulated.
(3,000 stop'n'go Manhattan rush hour miles = how many thousands of highway miles?)

No matter what, used engine oil analysis provides more useful data to 'estimate' how well the engine is aging / wearing along.
Same applies to transmission fluid, by the way.

But distance is SO much easier to measure ... kinda like weighing yourself instead of measuring your waist-to-hip ratio (and BMI is just plain idiotic).

 

[Writefast]

We measure things that are EASY for idjits to measure, like distance traveled, or MpGs,
then we act like those measurements reliably indicate how much wear and tear the engine / transmission / vehicle has accumulated.
(3,000 stop'n'go Manhattan rush hour miles = how many thousands of highway miles?)

No matter what, used engine oil analysis provides more useful data to 'estimate' how well the engine is aging / wearing along.
Same applies to transmission fluid, by the way.

But distance is SO much easier to measure ... kinda like weighing yourself instead of measuring your waist-to-hip ratio (and BMI is just plain idiotic).

So I have about 4.5 quarts of used oil and a brutalized filter. (Had to resort to high level caveman means to get the damn thing off.) Can I just send this off and have it analyzed? Or is this like a racing/corporate thing? Side note. The used oil collection pan had rear end lube in it immediately prior.

 

[donjetman]

Serious question. What is the purpose in this? I only understand about half of what I’m reading here.

The What & Why Of Used Oil Analysis

 

[Marky Dissod]

Can I just send this off and have it analyzed? Or is this like a racing/corporate thing?

Not sure what you mean by 'racing / corporate thing'? They do analyze their used motor oil far more often than normal people do, goes with the territory.

You don't send off your used oil filter - no way to put a lid on it (yet ...).
When you drain your oil from the pan, get some of that into the cup they provide, then screw on the lid, then mail it off to them.
They'll analyze both the oil, AND whatever they find in the oil.
They'll let you know what's normal, what's getting old, and if anything's out of the ordinary.

(Personally I'd prefer draining the used oil out of the filter into the sample container, 'cause I'm a pessimist.)