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DOT Secretary Rolls Back All Emission Standards
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Can we comment without generating whinings and bannings?
Seriously, this subject may generate a bunch of agreement or disagreement. Are we allowed to express it?
joe
Seriously, this subject may generate a bunch of agreement or disagreement. Are we allowed to express it?
joe
get rid of CARB and we are golden
I'll wait to see how it plays out. usually an old guy being a talking head into social media isn't the most trustworthy thing. they will say anything for views. if your city/county doesn't change its testing, then non of it really matters.
besides maybe being allow to sell more roll coal devices? yay, I guess
this is "old" news in term of what's happened since the 20th but in a nutshell it just allows the manufactures to produce vehicles at a more reasonable cost, will it filter down to lower prices? probably not but they should not go up astronomically either. They are not locked into having to make them all have 50mpg ratings in a few more years.
sounds like it won't make much difference. car prices never really go down. might limit the money they put into development a bit.
i'm sure nothing is "retro-active" and they all trade credits anyway, which is why carb is a farce, if california fell off into the ocean, it probably wouldn't change the climate of the rest of the planet, but the high desert east of the sierra's would get more rain.
yeah, last time they lowered standards, didn't Ford end all family car production? they only kept them for the higher fuel mileage numbers helping the average when they could just sell everyone an suv without the car option.
yeah I don't know, the guys that lived here there whole life fell me back in the 80s on hot days the whole sky here was smog clouds.
It certainly was true in Denver. I’m also old enough to remember what car exhaust smelled like before emission controls. At the same time, I also remember how horribly unreliable cars were before the engineers figured out how to do electronic fuel injection. It’s a mixed bag, for sure. Air quality got significantly better over the course of about 15 years, and at the same time I question whether or not regulation is the best way going forward.
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Just cancel the California rules, and then use common sense. Their every 2 year smog checks are a cash cow for the smog check lobby.
Figure.... forcing an owner of a 2020 Infiniti to what,.... check their smog emissions? Every 2 years??... Really ?? Follow the money.
If you have a nice muscle car, they fail due to changing the requirements. They try to throw the car away.
I had a '93 Mercedes SL500. I used a 'clone car' to pass smog. If it failed, they refused my registration.
Figure.... forcing an owner of a 2020 Infiniti to what,.... check their smog emissions? Every 2 years??... Really ?? Follow the money.
If you have a nice muscle car, they fail due to changing the requirements. They try to throw the car away.
I had a '93 Mercedes SL500. I used a 'clone car' to pass smog. If it failed, they refused my registration.
BOTH of these request's were dropped by carb on the 15th
- In-Use Locomotive regulation (would have phased out older locomotives)
- Advanced Clean Fleets regulation (would have stopped diesel truck & bus sales)
I see some crazy bad emissions stuff running away around work and it's a shame. I bet it's a years worth of car emmsions in a few hours of running for zero reason. but it's eaiser to chase the public than equipment even thou the company's have deep pockets and are to big to fail.
I honestly don't mind a yearly check to see if the check engine light is on type of thing. but there's a lot of stupid rules too. if a new cat fixes a check engine light. then who cares if it's got all expensive certifications. if you have a older classic or something they only gets driven a few 100 to a 1000 miles a year, who cares.
I would be highly pissed if I had to drop a car off at a shop for them to go thru it every year looking for issues. that's still kinda wild to me and reeks of fraud.
I honestly don't mind a yearly check to see if the check engine light is on type of thing. but there's a lot of stupid rules too. if a new cat fixes a check engine light. then who cares if it's got all expensive certifications. if you have a older classic or something they only gets driven a few 100 to a 1000 miles a year, who cares.
I would be highly pissed if I had to drop a car off at a shop for them to go thru it every year looking for issues. that's still kinda wild to me and reeks of fraud.
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I believe emissions standards have help with smog in city's that were having problem with it. Really auto makers have made vehicles with better fuel milage and when have you had to replace tailpipe and muffler system just saying.
oh yeah. forcing them to cover exhaust parts for a longer warranty has helped forsure. I honestly like that Cali said hey, you wanna sell a hybrid here. that falls under emissions system and you gotta cover that too. anything that forces manufacturers to build more reliable cars I'm all for.
I feel afm lifters should have fallen under emissions and been covered by warranty for atleast 80 to 100k. to me they speced or sourced low quality parts.
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As someone who has not driven a car with fewer than 8 cylinders in the past 10yrs as a primary vehicle… I definitely like my displacement BUT do appreciate the efficiency of some of the smaller engines. I do not understand why there has not been a bigger push to hybridize more big vehicles? I understand we can all say we don’t like regulation telling us what to do or control our buying habits but where is the common sense engineering?
I think I’ve said this before that these big SUVs would be perfect candidates for big hybrid power trains. Increase power and efficiency. Yes, complications and potentially price but it can’t be that much more, ford and Toyota both by hybrid systems in their trucks. I bet another generation of research will have the trucks with mid-20s on MPG.
Oil/fuel prices aren’t high enough yet to drive consumer purchasing decisions yet, I guess?
I believe in free choice on business and personal purchase but there is a level of social responsibility businesses should have to shape the world they operate in… sorry… I’m a dreamer of a utopia that may not exist lol
I think I’ve said this before that these big SUVs would be perfect candidates for big hybrid power trains. Increase power and efficiency. Yes, complications and potentially price but it can’t be that much more, ford and Toyota both by hybrid systems in their trucks. I bet another generation of research will have the trucks with mid-20s on MPG.
Oil/fuel prices aren’t high enough yet to drive consumer purchasing decisions yet, I guess?
I believe in free choice on business and personal purchase but there is a level of social responsibility businesses should have to shape the world they operate in… sorry… I’m a dreamer of a utopia that may not exist lol
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As of Jan.1st 2025, no more annual inspections where I live in TX,
and loving it.
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We stopped those several years ago, in OK.
One thing I liked about TX inspections, back in the '70s, was that correcting headlight aim was part of it.
joe
they definitely stopped anything useful like that from inspections then. cause they didn't test anything. maybe walk around and look at the lights. it was a cash grab at best. they didn't even check if the check engine light was on. I got passed once with abs light, air bag light and check engine light on.
the tx check was such a waste of time.
in a way I blame gm for this. they came to market to early with the hybrid tahoe in 08 before the tech was ready. the battery was a total failure. everything else was fine, but the only stable battery tech to chose from was Toyota prius.
it was very high priced for its time and didn't show the results needed. had they waited a few years and put the volt battery tech in it. it could have gotten 25+ in the city, lasted forever and not added as much weight.
as it was with a hybrid battery that had about as much useful storage as a large 12v car battery. they sitll got 21npg out of it in soccer mom hell city driving without giving up much in the way of being a truck. like tow rating and 4wd. some do say they tired to be all things to everyone and ended up doing no one thing great ha.
in today's world, I'm convinced they could build one using the turbo 4cyl in the full sized trucks, which makes great power, today's battery tech. 30mpg city and 500lbs of tq would be a sweet spot they could hit. sadly it will never happen. they can't even make a V8 that doesn't look up these days.
engineering has fallen off the cliff on everything from cars/trucks, industrial equivalent all the way to air planes. Boeing is so bad at design and making planes at this point. the big 3 ceo's are willing to bank roll a 3 manufacter that could bring a decent narrow body to the market.
might just be chasing profit margin over brain power, but whatever it is everyone new feels like a pile of crap right now. it's kinda sad and scares they hell out of me that people think we can build and maintain nuclear plants all over the country. be lucky we we can even build them to work, definitely won't maintain them and they will all be a ticking time bomb in 30 years that we can't take off line to rebuild because we won't have the money.
