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alright guys bare with me here. recently bought an 05 tahoe and the previous owner put 2k into the front end to fix it.. i have the reciepts.. however the abs stabilitrak and traction lights are all.. brakes are good.. fluid is good. this would be a speed sensor thing right? its not letting me cycle thru the info center it just shows these constantly but maybe thats a different issue. anyways glad to be back on the forum.
 

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alright guys bare with me here. recently bought an 05 tahoe and the previous owner put 2k into the front end to fix it.. i have the reciepts.. however the abs stabilitrak and traction lights are all.. brakes are good.. fluid is good. this would be a speed sensor thing right? its not letting me cycle thru the info center it just shows these constantly but maybe thats a different issue. anyways glad to be back on the forum.
if your lucky then it's just a abs sensor issue, you need a scanner that can read abs for beginners, preferably one that can read body codes as well though.
"front end" work is not elaborated, nor the mileage so, depending on that then it could need new hubs and not just a abs sensor.
you could simply look and make sure the abs sensors are plugged in, check all the fuses, that cost's nothing.....
 

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As @Doubeleive stated above, having a quality bi-directional scanner will help you pinpoint this issue (as well as most other issues) quite quickly. I had a similar issue about a year or so ago, and when I hooked up my bi-directional scanner and ran the diagnostics, the scanner pointed me to my left front wheel, where the abs/wheel speed sensor had failed. I replaced the sensor (fairly straightforward), and the code and dash light went away.
 

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If funds are tight you can read those codes (and others) for about $20 with an OBDII adapter and smartphone. Sure, more expensive scantools are handy but they are certainly not needed for reading codes.
 

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If funds are tight you can read those codes (and others) for about $20 with an OBDII adapter and smartphone. Sure, more expensive scantools are handy but they are certainly not needed for reading codes.
There are many internal codes that are not visible with a $20 scanner. Not saying that the speed sensor code cannot be read by a $20 sensor, but I want to make the point that many internal (or secondary codes) can only be read by a bi-directional scanner.
 

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There are many internal codes that are not visible with a $20 scanner. Not saying that the speed sensor code cannot be read by a $20 sensor, but I want to make the point that many internal (or secondary codes) can only be read by a bi-directional scanner.

Name few for me. I'd like to see an example.
 

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Name few for me. I'd like to see an example.
Let's start with this: Some GM trouble codes, particularly those related to non-emissions-related systems (like transmission, ABS, or body control modules), may not be readable by basic, generic OBD-II scanners. These scanners typically only access the standardized OBD-II codes related to the engine and emissions control systems. To access these more specific codes, a more advanced, manufacturer-specific scan tool is often required.

If not convinced, I'll do you one better. You can find your own examples with this document that identifies all of the different areas where a quality bi-directional scanner can read codes, monitor and record activities of components in real time, and perform diagnostic tests that quickly zero in on root cause of issues.

Match this up to your $20 code reader and see how they compare.
 

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When using an inexpensive OBD dongle, it's important to find a phone or tablet app that will read, for example, the body codes. It would be helpful to identify specific dongles and how they match up with specific apps (and if Android or Apple) to read the non engine-specific codes. Some dongle manufacturers provide compatible apps, but some of the less expensive ones don't detail that kind of info.
 

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Let's start with this:

Well until I dig more into your reply (thanks for the reply btw) I'll just drop this short video here.

This is a 2005 Yukon, very similar to the OPs vehicle if memory serves. Yes, the video does not deal with codes. We will get to that later. But this will just show what a $14 adapter and some research can do.

 

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Well until I dig more into your reply (thanks for the reply btw) I'll just drop this short video here.

This is a 2005 Yukon, very similar to the OPs vehicle if memory serves. Yes, the video does not deal with codes. We will get to that later. But this will just show what a $14 adapter and some research can do.

Probably a elm adapter which can do some "extra" things with software and the correct pid's but it's still going to be limited for the most part, you can kinda make it do a bit with pid's and a learning curve. you can use one of those and a app called torque and monitor a bunch of data.
 

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Some GM trouble codes, particularly those related to non-emissions-related systems (like transmission, ABS, or body control modules), may not be readable by basic, generic OBD-II scanners. These scanners typically only access the standardized OBD-II codes related to the engine and emissions control systems. To access these more specific codes, a more advanced, manufacturer-specific scan tool is often required.


As a rule I am speaking specifically about vehicles like the OPs vehicle which has no CANBUS like later vehicles. The OPs vehicle uses strictly the single wire SAE J1850 VPW protocol. Often referred to as Class II serial data.

There are phone apps that can handle this for those not inclined learn how to query modules manually. The phone apps will try the common node addresses for GM modules.

For those who decide to do the queries and subsequent decoding themselves there is just one byte in the query message that changes. The hardware is no different at all.

Transmissions when not handled by the PCM at node $10 or $11 are frequently found at node $18. ABS functions are handled by the EBCM at node $29. Body Control (BCM) would be node $40. Others are DDM node $A0, PDM node $A1, HVAC node $98, and so on and on.

I don't wish to hijack this thread with a lengthy discussion of code reading. Maybe just a screenshot to demonstrate?? Here I ask for current codes from a PCM (node $10) . It reported no current codes. I then alter the message header using an address for the BCM (node $40) and again request current codes. The BCM reports 12 current codes. Lastly I alter the header again to query a TCCM at node $1A. Again, current codes are requested. The TCCM reports 5 current codes. None of this is surprising as all 3 of these units are wired up in a drawer in my kitchen!!

The hardware is the same for all. Still using a $14 Veepeak unit.

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Every action a scantool takes on these SAE J1850 VPW Class II Serial Data vehicles is accomplished by messaging. It looks similar to the screenshot above. And that messaging structure and electrical characteristics are set in stone by the SAE specification. There is no other backdoor or the like for any scantool to use.

So why are high end scantools so much more expensive if it is not in the hardware? It is the licensing of proprietary informations from the manufacturers. That is big bucks each year for the scantool manufacturers. This information is what is needed by the scantool in order to send the right messages to the particular vehicle under inspection .

And no doubt a high end scantool can be oh so handy and nice to have. But if all you need to do is scan for a code here and there and maybe monitor some live data using apps like Torque Pro or Car Scanner ELM OBD then these low cost dongles are adequate.
 

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Probably a elm adapter which can do some "extra" things with software and the correct pid's but it's still going to be limited for the most part, you can kinda make it do a bit with pid's and a learning curve. you can use one of those and a app called torque and monitor a bunch of data.

No "extra things" seen here. A basic ELM type device and a 'dumb' serial terminal application. The magic is knowing the message to send. I sent one instruction to the ELM to set the 3 byte header, then one message out to the vehicle. That's it.

To learn the messaging to do things like this took me years to learn. But this particular thread involved just reading/decoding codes. That can be picked up fairly easy.
 

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If not convinced, I'll do you one better. You can find your own examples with this document that identifies all of the different areas where a quality bi-directional scanner can read codes, monitor and record activities of components in real time, and perform diagnostic tests that quickly zero in on root cause of issues.

Match this up to your $20 code reader and see how they compare.


I have a Tech 2 so am familiar there. I find I rarely use it anymore. I suppose if I needed to do a crankshaft sensor variation relearn or the like I would indeed use the Tech 2. But to haul that dinosaur out to read and reset a trouble code??? No way!

I do have only two vehicles and they are both 20 years or older. If I had newer vehicles then I would have a need for newer and better scantool.
 
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my little scanner reads nothing but the evap code. no light . thanks guys i do know a guy with a much better scanner i will start there.. also im running an old elm 327.. the little blue one
 
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I have a Tech 2 so am familiar there. I find I rarely use it anymore. I suppose if I needed to do a crankshaft sensor variation relearn or the like I would indeed use the Tech 2. But to haul that dinosaur out to read and reset a trouble code??? No way!

I do have only two vehicles and they are both 20 years or older. If I had newer vehicles then I would have a need for newer and better scantool.
Since you have a Tech 2, then you know that the scanner's output does not only list the trouble code, but it also gives you information regarding the code in the particular use case, which truly where some of the additional value of a quality bi-directional scanner come into play.

But, if you are happy with your $20 scanner, then by all means, stay with it and enjoy. I'll stick with my Tech 2 for my truck.
 

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my little scanner reads nothing but the evap code. no light . thanks guys i do know a guy with a much better scanner i will start there.. also im running an old elm 327.. the little blue one


Well then if you or anyone else is interested and also use Torque Pro with your ELM type adapter you do have the tools at hand to read those codes. Granted, you need to know how to decode the results but it really is not all that difficult.

 
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theres no abs fuse in the box under the hood.l. so im wondering if previous owner pulled it because of the low speed abs issues these trucks have
 

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