02 Suburban Rear Jacking

[JPVortex]

Ok, first you are using an unsafe floor jack with no pad and the wheels will not move when rusted. Way unsafe. You are asking for a problem with that floor jack. You should not be lifting this with a jack like that. You ask for safe procedures and then you show the messed up floor jack. Get that out of there.

Second, inner parts of the tubes, where they come out of the diff have enough room where the sway bar bend is to allow for the stands to be placed as I stated. Or at the very ends of the tubes where the sway bar ands may allow enough room. If none of this works. Spread the stands out to the ends and set the sway bar itself in the curved stand arm saddle. Or, set the rounded part of the sway bar attaching bracket in the curved saddles. If the sway bar is directly below the axle tubes, setting the stands under the sway bar or the brackets, will not hurt it. If the sway bar is offset and is either forward or backward of directly under the axle tubes, do not sent the stand saddles under the sway bar.

New jack is already in the workings. So what you're saying is if the sway bar is directly below the axle tube, I can just go ahead and put the stands right below the sway bar, because the axle tube will take the brunt of the weight? That just feels a little sketchy to me. The sway bar is also not directly below the axle tubes, kind of a tiny bit farther back. Will try to squeeze the stands in really far in by the "pumpkin" or towards the edges.

 

[homesick]

New jack is already in the workings. So what you're saying is if the sway bar is directly below the axle tube, I can just go ahead and put the stands right below the sway bar, because the axle tube will take the brunt of the weight? That just feels a little sketchy to me. The sway bar is also not directly below the axle tubes, kind of a tiny bit farther back. Will try to squeeze the stands in really far in by the "pumpkin" or towards the edges.

No offense, but I recommend you go back and re-read all of this- slowly. I just get the feeling you're missing some nuance. Honestly, you're spooking me a little.

joe

 

[JPVortex]

No offense, but I recommend you go back and re-read all of this- slowly. I just get the feeling you're missing some nuance. Honestly, you're spooking me a little.

joe

No offense taken, its something I struggle with. Im an extreme vision learner, don't do as well with learning based off of text, and have a hard time putting all the details together sometimes just by reading it.

Just by reading to me "setting the stands under the sway bar or the brackets, will not hurt it" sounds like by putting the jack stands underneath the sway bar it won't hurt anything. I know not to drop the vehicle onto jackstands that are below the sway bar, it's just what it's sounding like he was saying to me.

 

[homesick]

No offense taken, its something I struggle with. Im an extreme vision learner, don't do as well with learning based off of text, and have a hard time putting all the details together sometimes just by reading it.

Just by reading to me "setting the stands under the sway bar or the brackets, will not hurt it" sounds like by putting the jack stands underneath the sway bar it won't hurt anything. I know not to drop the vehicle onto jackstands that are below the sway bar, it's just what it's sounding like he was saying to me.

Maybe you can find some explanatory videos.

I understand your issue. I can't absorb info that's read to me. I need to read it myself.

joe

 

[JPVortex]

Maybe you can find some explanatory videos.

I understand your issue. I can't absorb info that's read to me. I need to read it myself.

joe

Does he mean literally, if there's a point in the axle tube where the sway bar is literally flat against the axle tube, I can put the jackstand underneath there, so the axle tube will still hold the weight even though the sway bar is just "sitting there"?

Thats what I get out of it, if that's not it then I don't understand what was said.

And gosh, this forum is slow right now. It's taking 20 years for one thing to load. Lol.

 

[OR VietVet]

No, the sway bar does not have to be against the axle tube. The sway bar can be in the attaching brackets as long as the sway bar is directly below the axle tube, when you set the weight down on the saddle of the stands. If the sway bar is offset to the rear or front, then all of the weight is being supported by the sway bar brackets and that is not good. Somewhere along the axle tube there is space for the stand saddle to allow for the axle tube to rest on the stand saddles. It can be on either side of the diff pumpkin or the ends of the tube. Plus, like I said earlier, you have two safety things wrong. A piss poor floor jack and no blocks in the front and back of the front tires.

Plus, you never did answer my question about, "are you on level ground?"

 

[JPVortex]

No, the sway bar does not have to be against the axle tube. The sway bar can be in the attaching brackets as long as the sway bar is directly below the axle tube, when you set the weight down on the saddle of the stands. If the sway bar is offset to the rear or front, then all of the weight is being supported by the sway bar brackets and that is not good. Somewhere along the axle tube there is space for the stand saddle to allow for the axle tube to rest on the stand saddles. It can be on either side of the diff pumpkin or the ends of the tube. Plus, like I said earlier, you have two safety things wrong. A piss poor floor jack and no blocks in the front and back of the front tires.

Plus, you never did answer my question about, "are you on level ground?"

Ok got it, so as long as the sway bar is right below the axle tubes I can put it there.

ground is the most level part of the driveway that there is. Yes there is blocks in the front of the front tires, I don’t see the need to have them in the rear of the front tires. I’m jacking the rear up so if it were to go anywhere it’d go forward, which is blocked off. It physically doesn’t make sense that it would roll backward when when lifting the back of the truck up.

 

[JPVortex]

With that being said I’d prefer to not have the jack stand saddles touching the sway bar at all, so I’ll try out the spots near the pumpkin and at the end of the axle tubes. Thanks!

 

[OR VietVet]

No, the sway bar does not have to be against the axle tube. The sway bar can be in the attaching brackets as long as the sway bar is directly below the axle tube, when you set the weight down on the saddle of the stands. If the sway bar is offset to the rear or front, then all of the weight is being supported by the sway bar brackets and that is not good. Somewhere along the axle tube there is space for the stand saddle to allow for the axle tube to rest on the stand saddles. It can be on either side of the diff pumpkin or the ends of the tube. Plus, like I said earlier, you have two safety things wrong. A piss poor floor jack and no blocks in the front and back of the front tires.

Plus, you never did answer my question about, "are you on level ground?"

 

[OR VietVet]

Ok got it, so as long as the sway bar is right below the axle tubes I can put it there.

ground is the most level part of the driveway that there is. Yes there is blocks in the front of the front tires, I don’t see the need to have them in the rear of the front tires. I’m jacking the rear up so if it were to go anywhere it’d go forward, which is blocked off. It physically doesn’t make sense that it would roll backward when when lifting the back of the truck up.

You are correct, that the weight shifts forward when you lift the rear.
Now, for the reason I said what I said about the blocks.
The weight can be predictable when you are on completely flat ground and if there is no shifting weight inside the vehicle. I have no answer to these concerns because I am not there. Plus, your safety choices are suspect especially because of your floor jack choice.

Now, the other concern. When the vehicle is in the air the weight is shifted forward and front blocks are good. Now, when you then lower the vehicle with an unsafe floor jack and suspect ground level, the weight shifts as it lowers and the blocks behind front tires will hold the vehicle from moving and AGAIN creating an unsafe condition.

I am now done. You do You. Take all the chances you want. Good luck.

 

[JPVortex]

You are correct, that the weight shifts forward when you lift the rear.
Now, for the reason I said what I said about the blocks.
The weight can be predictable when you are on completely flat ground and if there is no shifting weight inside the vehicle. I have no answer to these concerns because I am not there. Plus, your safety choices are suspect especially because of your floor jack choice.

Now, the other concern. When the vehicle is in the air the weight is shifted forward and front blocks are good. Now, when you then lower the vehicle with an unsafe floor jack and suspect ground level, the weight shifts as it lowers and the blocks behind front tires will hold the vehicle from moving and AGAIN creating an unsafe condition.

I am now done. You do You. Take all the chances you want. Good luck.

Thank you, I appreciate the concern. I try to be as safe as possible. Everytime a wheel is off it goes right under the frame rail in case of complete jack stand failure. I always try to make sure that there’s blocks in the most prevent direction where it could move, because the area it’s at is pretty level, and the vehicles don’t roll when bringing them back down off a jack. but as someone at my house living with my father in a family where no one is mechanically inclined, sometimes some of the small safety stuff like that slips my mind, I guess you could say I’m a backyard mechanic. Also the fact that any tools that I need I have to buy, and they’re not cheap and didn’t have any growing up, so I’m now building my assortment, so yeah there will be some stuff I’m missing, like proper wheel chocks(right now I use nice big pieces of wood or even spare donut tires from a car I previously owned, the rubber from the tire does a great job at holding it to the ground securely).

Totally understand what you mean about the jack pad, and I will be getting a new jack soon or potentially trying to repair the threads for it, because I still have the pad in my shed. I have a smaller jack(that still has a good pad lol) that I use for the rest of the cars in the family, but sadly it’s not tall enough for the big suburban.

I really appreciate your concern. There is some good advice I’ve gotten here for safety and also for lifting up the truck. Have a good night

 

[JPVortex]

You are correct, that the weight shifts forward when you lift the rear.
Now, for the reason I said what I said about the blocks.
The weight can be predictable when you are on completely flat ground and if there is no shifting weight inside the vehicle. I have no answer to these concerns because I am not there. Plus, your safety choices are suspect especially because of your floor jack choice.

Now, the other concern. When the vehicle is in the air the weight is shifted forward and front blocks are good. Now, when you then lower the vehicle with an unsafe floor jack and suspect ground level, the weight shifts as it lowers and the blocks behind front tires will hold the vehicle from moving and AGAIN creating an unsafe condition.

I am now done. You do You. Take all the chances you want. Good luck.

Is this what you meant last night? You

can see the sway bar is in the way but it’s right directly below the mounts which are attached to the rear axle.

 

[JPVortex]

Ok I got it securely put on jackstands on the frame. I backed the truck into a different spot in my driveway and the jack actually rolled a little bit(i checked the casters and they all move fine). The jackstands still gave a little tilt when they first came down but they straightened out and are totally solid now.

Additionally I have taken big cinder blocks and am using them as rear wheel chocks. Now just need to do something about the janky jack!

 

[OR VietVet]

Is this what you meant last night? You View attachment 456268can see the sway bar is in the way but it’s right directly below the mounts which are attached to the rear axle.

As long as the section of sway bar is directly under the axle tube. If the sway bar bushing bracket is wide enough, you could even set the curved section of the bracket down in to the curved part of the stand saddle.

I can see the sway bar itself, curving away from under the axle tube. If there is enough exposed axle tube, set the stand under the axle tube and let the axle tube down in to the curved part of the stand saddle.

 

[JPVortex]

thanks! There sadly wasn’t enough axle tube space, but putting the jack stand on the sway bar where it is in the picture would be okay? The axle tube is literally right above it. And good to know about the bushing brackets, would make sense, as they’re attached to the axle.

As long as the section of sway bar is directly under the axle tube. If the sway bar bushing bracket is wide enough, you could even set the curved section of the bracket down in to the curved part of the stand saddle.

I can see the sway bar itself, curving away from under the axle tube. If there is enough exposed axle tube, set the stand under the axle tube and let the axle tube down in to the curved part of the stand saddle.

 

[OR VietVet]

Set the sway bar right down on the stand, again, as long as the axle tube is directly above the bar.

GET A BETTER FLOOR JACK!

 

[JPVortex]

Set the sway bar right down on the stand, again, as long as the axle tube is directly above the bar.

GET A BETTER FLOOR JACK!

Perfect, I appreciate all the help and currently researching on which jack I want to go with for a higher lift on an SUV. Got any recommendations?

 

[OR VietVet]

Get a Daytona 3 ton jack. Model #DJ3000. It is made in the same factory, right alongside the Snap On FJ300 3 ton floor jack.

Daytona=$300

Snap On=$1000

 

[OR VietVet]

You can also get a less expensive jack and go to 911 Motorsports and check out the jack pad extensions they have. I have both of these. I like to get either end of the vehicle up on these ramps and then can see all the spots to set the jack pad at.

https://www.amazon.com/RhinoGear-11...=B0117EESNC&ref_=pd_bap_d_grid_rp_0_14_t&th=1

Short Flat Saddle - Floor Jack Extension

www.911motorsports.net

Short Round Saddle - Floor Jack Extension

www.911motorsports.net

 

[JPVortex]

You can also get a less expensive jack and go to 911 Motorsports and check out the jack pad extensions they have. I have both of these. I like to get either end of the vehicle up on these ramps and then can see all the spots to set the jack pad at.

https://www.amazon.com/RhinoGear-11...=B0117EESNC&ref_=pd_bap_d_grid_rp_0_14_t&th=1

Short Flat Saddle - Floor Jack Extension

www.911motorsports.net

Short Round Saddle - Floor Jack Extension

www.911motorsports.net

Great, thank you so much! You're a great help. I think I'll go the Daytona route, they seem like very solid jacks.