So pickup truck plus suv talk on YouTube just did a real world drive with his lightning and he stopped at Walmart’s to charge and he got on average 100 miles of range in 30-40 minutes and it was costing him $20-$25 for that range. Not very good mileage for $. And his range on the lightning was not the greatest cuz it re calculates for hills and weather conditions and he was losing range faster than actual mileage.
What? An EV Tahoe?
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jforb
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Since most people who buy a Tahoe just use it to haul the kids to soccer practice, or to drive to work, they'll probably sell a bunch of them, and customers will be happy with them.
We could use an EV for most of our driving, but not for hauling a car trailer or travel trailer across several states in a couple days. But we're not most people, either.
pretty interesting reading the reactions of folks who despise EVs without knowing much at all about them. But that's normal human nature, I suppose.
btw, they've come a long ways in a few short years. You might be surprised.
We could use an EV for most of our driving, but not for hauling a car trailer or travel trailer across several states in a couple days. But we're not most people, either.
pretty interesting reading the reactions of folks who despise EVs without knowing much at all about them. But that's normal human nature, I suppose.
btw, they've come a long ways in a few short years. You might be surprised.
Sparksalot
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Will the digital dash tell me which cactus or pine tree i can plug into for a recharge while off grid?
just wait a bit until the electic's become more mainstream and the lines at the charging stations start to get longer and the people living in the cities have to run extension cords out to there apartment parking spot which might be a couple hundred feet away or more because you will have to charge it from home because the line at the charger will be ludicrous in the morning. that's just reality not ev hate or anything, we don't have the infrastructure and getting it will take decades.
do you really think some slumlord apt owning LLC is going to dump millions into putting chargers on there limited acreage? short answer "maybe" if the government coughed up some money and gave it to them. Then your gonna have to fight for the limited charging spots that they do put in.
I think it's just a matter of time until this all becomes a stark reality.
do you really think some slumlord apt owning LLC is going to dump millions into putting chargers on there limited acreage? short answer "maybe" if the government coughed up some money and gave it to them. Then your gonna have to fight for the limited charging spots that they do put in.
I think it's just a matter of time until this all becomes a stark reality.
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I don't see full electric getting my attention until a next gen battery is utilized. Range, especially with respect to towing, is the main detractor for me. I'd be all over a plug in hybrid with ~75 miles of on board electric range and the 3.0L diesel coupled to a generator to keep batteries topped up and motors humming when range is exceeded or towing. Tune the engine to run at a fixed RPM that has been optimized for efficiency.
I'd like to have my cake and eat it too, please.
I'd like to have my cake and eat it too, please.
Have u not seen the jeep commercials with the charging stations in the middle of the desert? They just come up out of the ground wherever you are and magically provide electricity derived from fossil fuels!
swathdiver
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Imagine the folks in the Bronx or Manhattan, getting up at 5am to move their car to the other side of the street and lose their charging station or someone unplugged their car and charged their own up on their dime overnight.
Think of all the fires from overloaded circuits and indoor extension cords strung together for 200 feet so some apartment dweller can charge their car from their 2nd floor apartment. Fire Departments are going to need a lot more AFFF, oh wait, they banned that because it might cause cancer in mice who consume 300 pounds of it.
Think of all the fires from overloaded circuits and indoor extension cords strung together for 200 feet so some apartment dweller can charge their car from their 2nd floor apartment. Fire Departments are going to need a lot more AFFF, oh wait, they banned that because it might cause cancer in mice who consume 300 pounds of it.
It certainly can take longer than that. My scenario of 30-40 minutes assumes the fast chargers are working at optimal levels. Which is not a given! Electrify America is the dominant charging network at the moment, besides Tesla, and they are plagued by broken chargers & slower-than-advertised rates. Again, I think the charging network issues will be solved by the market & healthy government subsidies. Just like farming.
The benchmark vehicle in my prior scenario is the Rivian - good time to mention I have ordered their SUV - which is more efficent than the Hummer but on par with the Lightning - both pretty awful by EV standards. For instance, a Tesla can add 200 miles in 15 minutes. Barely enough time to pee and pick out snacks.
WalleyeMikeIII
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The whole infrastructure is the critical piece...and I don't just mean chargers.
To get the volume of vehicle miles transferred from gas to electric, my buddy and I estimate that the whole fleet will need the whole grid for 5.5-11 hours a day, depending on the efficiency you estimate for converting energy to motion. (Math for this in post #167 of this thread)
Net, currently not enough electrical generating capacity in the USA to convert all the energy burned in gasoline to electricity....and you rarely see or hear about this being discussed. Add to this that nobody will let you build a nuclear plant, and most of that power is going to have to be generated by dino fuel (coal, natural gas) because solar and wind aren't going to do it. This is the sin in all of it..
I like this vid from scotty on TCO as well:
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I would love a plug-in-hybrid Tahoe or Suburban. I only need about 30 miles of electric range. But I wouldn't be willing to pay much more for it.
As said above an EV-only isn't going to work for trips. Taking family to a "charging station" is out of the question.
I have a feeling they will be trying to sell an EV Tahoe for $90k++ like the lightning but I guess we'll see.
As said above an EV-only isn't going to work for trips. Taking family to a "charging station" is out of the question.
I have a feeling they will be trying to sell an EV Tahoe for $90k++ like the lightning but I guess we'll see.
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