negotiating sale price with post bail-out GM

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I'm new to the forums here. Is there much new car purchase experience or stories shared here?

I took advantage of a smoking deal on an 05 Yukon towards the end of that year from a local dealer and have since been loyal to that dealer and also been treated well on other new car purchases since that time, all of which took place prior to 2008.

What I am finding now, not only from this dealer, but also from some others in the area, is that they are much less willing to move on price. GMS/Supplier/Preferred seems to be thrown out there as if it is this great favor they are offering, but I am offered Preferred price (about 6% off MSRP by my math) from GM dealers that have not even met me yet, let alone one I bought 3 cars from. I'm not jumping up and down on simply getting preferred price (before the deduction of any available incentives/rebates).

I was told that there isn't much more they can go off Preferred for non-employees, which ofcourse I don't believe. I was told by one dealer that (now?) GM has much greater control over the sale price of individual dealers and if they get audited on their sales by GM in terms of sale pricing, if it is too low they will be penalized (cuts into holdback, allowances?).

I had always been either lucky enough to take advantage of employee price for public or invoice to slightly below invoice pricing - then plus take any incentives that are available at the time.

But I find getting my local dealers down to invoice (let alone below) to be a much bigger challenge than before and I wondered if this is something that is part of a new across the board strategy in post bailout GM to maintain higher profits all around. I had a verbal deal with one for about $700 off preferred (this was our compromise price), but when I got there to do the deal they changed the price and I said I would only accept our previously agreed to price which I was not entirely happy with as well and I ended up leaving without making the deal that day. They stuck to their guns as well and let me walk out over what amounts to pretty small % on a purchase of this size.

So I wonder, what are other people experiences or hearing on this? I am in the market for a new Tahoe or Yukon to replace our '05 and was thinking that I the higher fuel prices would work into my favor with both one-on-one negotiating with the dealer and getting nice GM incentives on top of it, but I am disappointed so far.

Looking forward to hearing what others have to say.
 

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There are some great deals out there for these trucks right now, in fact you can often get a brand new one for the same price than a slightly used one. Skimming through my local dealerships 'internet specials' I have found Tahoe LTZs with the sun package and all available options for as low as $49k, discounted some $8k from msrp.

A couple of good resources are http://www.cargurus.com/ and http://www.carsdirect.com.
 

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I think its foolish to get a tahoe ltz for that price when for 51250 i got a loaded 2010 denali back in march 2010 with sun, dest package and side blind zone alert.
But the price is going up on all gmcs.
Punch a denali with 403 hp - feel it, hear it then wach the fuelmguage actually tick down too. I love my denali- even at $5/gallon
 

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I'm happy for you that you got a great deal on the truck you prefer ... I used the LTZ example as a marker of what prices can be had at the moment relative to sticker not as an endorsement of the model itself. These discounts are proportionally available across the GM full size SUV line from the cheapest Tahoe to the most expensive Esky.

As far as which livery is 'better' that's up to each individual's personal preference and what they can afford ... presumably why GM offers so many versions and options.
 

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I think its foolish to get a tahoe ltz for that price when for 51250 i got a loaded 2010 denali back in march 2010 with sun, dest package and side blind zone alert.
But the price is going up on all gmcs.
Punch a denali with 403 hp - feel it, hear it then wach the fuelmguage actually tick down too. I love my denali- even at $5/gallon

+1000000

Denalis move pretty good for a truck this size...
 

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Yeah it's really easy. Walk in there, tell the salesman - "Give me the car for $300 over cost. You still make money, you get your commission, and I come back and buy my next car here. If not, I'll go elsewhere." Never had to negotiate, just threatened to leave.

That always worked for me... even when I was 16. Maybe it's the way I present myself... who knows.
 

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By far the best way to get the best price for a vehicle/truck is the following, and it does not involve the dealership ... you need 3 things:

1. Cash
2 A friend who has a dealer license
3. Dealer only auctions in your region.

You need to drive with a 'dealer' to a dealer only auction. The ones around here have hundreds if not thousands of cars/trucks when they take place. They have pretty much every vehicle imaginable on those, often times close to brand new. The auctioneers are incredibly well organized with everything you need right there. And you are bidding against dealers only who will only purchase vehicles at a price point which allows for profit margin. Heck, last time I went to one with a mate who wanted a truck, he bought an 09 RR Sport Supercharged with 18k miles for $31k, gave our dealer buddy $300 tip, and $300 for a flatbed standing by to to take it to his house.

This is really the only consistent way to achieve significant savings, everything else available to the consumer is either in the form of factory incentives and a couple of hundred bucks play with the dealer's profit margin.
 
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I have seen one, or two I think, of the deep discounts from my local dealers on "web specials", but inventory is low in my region on these vehicles so there are limitations to what I would like to get the vehicle with and what the dealer is offering.

From my story I told here, this was a cash deal, with a dealer who had sold me and my family 3 vehicles since 2005. I was surprised how firm they were on their price negoiations and was also surprised that another dealer in my area essentially told me not to expect anything below preferred.

Current cash rebate from GM is $2000. In my attempts so far to get a rock bottom price prior to factoring rebates has not yielded good results and I thought that maybe GM implimented some strategy to grow margins across the board. I thought that a motivation for closing some of their dealers was to this end as well. As in, limit regional competition of the remaining dealers in order to make them more profitable and provide better growth.

So I will keep looking for the best deal I can, but I am not finding great deals right now. I want the 5.3L, so that does limit the pool a little. I have been quite happy with our '05 5.3L and have no interest or need to pay for a Denali outfitted Yukon. Tahoe is a mixed bag in terms of matching up the options I want. Yukon SLT is the base target vehicle.

---------- Post added at 11:17 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:15 AM ----------

Does anyone know the cutoff for ordering if I am unable to find something out there currently, but can work a good price with somebody?
 

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Problem is, dealers get a set price, anything over that is theirs. The sell off volume. Look internet, for lowest prices. i have seen Dodge ( I know, but fast selling trucks ) and most dealers will match internet pricing.
If they are selling alot, hence why rebates are small. Notice fast moving items, lesser change of any huge rebate.
Stick to your guns....end of month or quarter, they will meet you down to your number.

Good luck.


PS: just bought my wife a 2011 Hundai Sonata, nice little car, wife loves it. They made a smoking deal for me, so traded in 08 Altima. But they did play the game.
 

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I think its foolish to get a tahoe ltz for that price when for 51250 i got a loaded 2010 denali back in march 2010 with sun, dest package and side blind zone alert.
But the price is going up on all gmcs.
Punch a denali with 403 hp - feel it, hear it then wach the fuelmguage actually tick down too. I love my denali- even at $5/gallon

LOL. I don't think that's what soulsea was saying.. he was just using it as an example. It's not foolish to get an LTZ if that's all you can afford. If I could've afforded a 51k Denali versus my 38k used Tahoe LTZ, I would DEF have your vehicle. :Handshake:
 

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