couple audio questions, jl w7, kicker, phoenix gold

[ILLEGAL REGAL]

anybody running a single 12?

I'm contemplating a w7 or a kicker square and throwing something like 1000 watts at it. Just curious how a single might sound in something this large(burban) I was looking at the ported box JL sells with the w7 installed already. Like to pair it up with JL's big 5 channel amp

I currently have a pair of 12" kicker cvr's downfiring in a sealed box with something like 300watts, it sounds decent but looking for a tad more.

also, I've got phoneix gold ryval 2-way door speakers. They sound clear and are quite loud but how do they compare to something like a set of JL components?
Or if I was looking to do components whats my best choice in the $200-$450 a set range?

 

[Thumper8302]

i would do infinity components honestly.. as far as ur subs i have no idea... im runnin an old school 15" kicker solo d series with only 400 watts at the moment

 

[basshertz]

if u have 2 tens now and ur getting a single 12 thats down grading on cone area i have heard a single 12 in a yukon and left me wanting for more but what is ur budget ? maybe u can suggest something else

 

[ILLEGAL REGAL]

sorry meant to type 12'swhat I have , not a pair of 10's
here's what I'm talking about, compared to a pair of kicker 12" cvr's

http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_enclosures.php?menu=1&prod_id=294

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talked to a buddy, what do ya think of this setup...
image dynamics components in doors with a 100x4 sundown amp
a 3512 12" digital designs sub with a soundigital 1000/1 amp?

 

[chip]

I have a single Punch DVC 12 in a bandpass box and I love it! If you do 1 JL 12 in a JL box, and throw 1K watts at it, it will jam! I have no doubt about that.

What I did was replace the head unit (which boosted the signal going to the factory amp, so now the stock Bose system is louder), then I added a Soundstream 480W amp and used 2 channels to run the Punch 12 (bridged parallel) and used the other 2 for a set of Fosgate Prime 6x9's to suppliment the Bose system. I am 100% happy with everything, and it was super cheap too.

 

[basshertz]

i would try 2 of these in a nice ported box http://www.audioque.com/HDC312-Copper-Coil-Subwoofer_p_23.html for half the price each handles what the w7 does and alot more if u know how to tune the amp and u can power them with this amp if u havent bought the jl audio amp u can get this alot cheaper and better this stuff is hand made here in the US unlike jl audio stuff is all made in china http://www.audioque.com/AQ2200D-Amplifier_p_31.html and trust they would slam all over the w7

 

[ILLEGAL REGAL]

i would try 2 of these in a nice ported box http://www.audioque.com/HDC312-Copper-Coil-Subwoofer_p_23.html for half the price each handles what the w7 does and alot more if u know how to tune the amp and u can power them with this amp if u havent bought the jl audio amp u can get this alot cheaper and better this stuff is hand made here in the US unlike jl audio stuff is all made in china http://www.audioque.com/AQ2200D-Amplifier_p_31.html and trust they would slam all over the w7

reason I want a single is to not take up as much room. I figure a single in a correct box will use the same amount of room I'm using now.

I think I've scratched the JL idea. If you read above where a friend gave his advice on what to get and blow the JL away.

 

[MOBmentality]

Well first off.. IMO infinity components are raspy tinny eveil little things that NEVER sound as good as their price dictates.. run a Focal Access or Poly Glass for that price range and youll never look back.

The sub.. yea.. everyone has their own taste.. and we can debate which sub will do which all day.. and obviously i have my own personal taste too.. and i would say i like the Addictive Audio stuff and i can hook you up with a great deal on one of their lvl3 12s that will do WORK but.. i think no matter what your brand of choice is.. NO ONE can say anything bad about the DD stuff.. the DD subs are pretty universally accepted as a bad ass sub.. and if i wasnt running AA.. DD would be my next choice.

 

[chip]

i would try 2 of these in a nice ported box http://www.audioque.com/HDC312-Copper-Coil-Subwoofer_p_23.html for half the price each handles what the w7 does and alot more if u know how to tune the amp and u can power them with this amp if u havent bought the jl audio amp u can get this alot cheaper and better this stuff is hand made here in the US unlike jl audio stuff is all made in china http://www.audioque.com/AQ2200D-Amplifier_p_31.html and trust they would slam all over the w7

Those look pretty serious! How long has this company been around? What's their deal? I read the site, but I want to know what real people think.

reason I want a single is to not take up as much room. I figure a single in a correct box will use the same amount of room I'm using now.

I think I've scratched the JL idea. If you read above where a friend gave his advice on what to get and blow the JL away.

Yeah, stick with one. Done right, 1 12 is plenty, yet also convenient.

I've been wondering about JLs quality these days. In case you can't tell, I may be a little out of touch with the car audio game, but when I was deep in it, JL had the best quality per price than anybody. Period. What's their deal these days? How much have they changed? Anybody know?

 

[MOBmentality]

, JL had the best quality per price than anybody. Period. What's their deal these days? How much have they changed? Anybody know?

The equipment is still nice.. really quality stuff.. but best bang for the buck.. is a term im sure NO ONE uses to define jl.. ever. When you buy JL.. youre renting the name to go with it.

 

[chip]

That's a damn shame! I remember buying my 12w0s brand new for under $100 and putting a $79 punch 35.2 to them and they would CRAM! Now everytime I look at one of their products, they look sick, but expensive as hell. Like I said, damn shame! They must be the new PPI.

What about Soundstream? I had one of their older 1000W amps (when they were one of the best names around). I just bought a 480W Soundstream amp a few weeks ago, and the quality seems noticeably lower. Did they sell their name or something?

 

[J-dub]

I've dealt with many of the audio companies out today.
And my easiest way to put it is...
With a lot of the underdogs, you get less than what you pay for and sometimes a lot more than what you pay for..... with big over rated companies such as JL you don't get what you pay for. JL definitely has nice stuff but like MOB said you're really just paying for the name

 

[chip]

Yeah, but you have to understand that when I was your age, JL WAS the underdog who gave you WAYYY more than you paid for. It's weird to see them all grown up and stingy.

When I was 17, I had 2 12w0s that would hit 127dbs (tested) all day, for under $200.

 

[J-dub]

I agree with you for sure! But everything is different now. Just trying to look out for ya. I'd check into some other brands.

 

[blueflamed03]

if u havent bought the jl audio amp u can get this alot cheaper and better this stuff is hand made here in the US unlike jl audio stuff is all made in china

Not correct. 'Some' of JL's line is outsourced, some is made in Miramar, FL...

plus, if JL's ( or insert any manufacture) has their R&D guys design it, who cares where its built.

I've dealt with many of the audio companies out today.
And my easiest way to put it is...
With a lot of the underdogs, you get less than what you pay for and sometimes a lot more than what you pay for..... with big over rated companies such as JL you don't get what you pay for. JL definitely has nice stuff but like MOB said you're really just paying for the name

also not entirely true. Small companies like AQ, etc use the R&D staff of other 12v manufactures to R&D, test, tool, design, then they walk in and 'borrow' the design and slap a name on it. So they dont have the higher cost associated with the bigger name that invented the technology. Most of these small names dont have 10 people working for them, so there is no way they are pating for tooling, etc....

 

[2000Yukon]

I'm currently running an Fi SSD 12 in a 3cu ft. ported box with 1300 watts rms going to it and it screams for more. This thing is indestructible.

I would highly recommend Fi over JL.

 

[jdpber]

Guys we have to remember EVERY brand has high and low end models.. hell you can get a 12" sony for $40 at walmart.. but that doesn't make it worth a sh*t.. you have to buy specific brand models. and every ones build is different.. buy for what you are wanting.. like i have the budget for a $3,000 system but i dont feel it necessary to spend that all in one place.. i want all my cargo space so i ran a flat 10" pioneer in a custom box and it will blow you out the car..

i have 4Ga feeding 750 mono threw 12Ga to a 10" Flat mount Pioneer in a little over a cubic foot custom box and it pounds... a system has to have the correct combination of items..

JL makes good and bad models.. all depends.. and they are not the same company that they were 10 years ago..

sorry for rant


4 main items for agood sound.
- plenty of power to the amp
- class D amp with more than enough juice to drive the sub
- Jub with good coils and large magnet..
- a proper proportion box matched to the specific sub..

the box airspace needs to meet the ratings of the individual sub..

ie. FI Death Penalty make tones of bass.. BUT they are huge, heavy, and take up a ton of space and require a ton of air space..



the brand name is not as important as the individual model..

 

[J-dub]

Not correct. 'Some' of JL's line is outsourced, some is made in Miramar, FL...

plus, if JL's ( or insert any manufacture) has their R&D guys design it, who cares where its built.




also not entirely true. Small companies like AQ, etc use the R&D staff of other 12v manufactures to R&D, test, tool, design, then they walk in and 'borrow' the design and slap a name on it. So they dont have the higher cost associated with the bigger name that invented the technology. Most of these small names dont have 10 people working for them, so there is no way they are pating for tooling, etc....

I've never dealt with AQ... BUT, I'm not talking bad about JL at all they are a good company, just seem over priced to me when compared to many of the smaller companies. I agree with why the smaller companies can sell for less, though. Just stating what I know personally.

For example my old setups: 2 JL w012s that were running on 300rms barely handled the power which is what they were rated at, in a sealed box...where as one FI X 10 rated for 300~rms was taking nearly 500 daily with no difficulties in a sealed box. Both boxes were recommended sizes. These subs were around the same price iirc, and the Fi performed way better. This is just my personal experiences... and I've done a lot of setups for others.


If JL is what you want, by all means go for it. But imo I'd rather pay less for the same subwoofer abilities, and a lot of times MORE sub abilities.

I'm currently running an Fi SSD 12 in a 3cu ft. ported box with 1300 watts rms going to it and it screams for more. This thing is indestructible.

I would highly recommend Fi over JL.

Agreed. I've dealt with FI before and love their products! Right now it's T3 Audio for me.

 

[blueflamed03]

Guys we have to remember EVERY brand has high and low end models.. hell you can get a 12" sony for $40 at walmart.. but that doesn't make it worth a sh*t.. you have to buy specific brand models. and every ones build is different.. buy for what you are wanting.. like i have the budget for a $3,000 system but i dont feel it necessary to spend that all in one place.. i want all my cargo space so i ran a flat 10" pioneer in a custom box and it will blow you out the car..

i have 4Ga feeding 750 mono threw 12Ga to a 10" Flat mount Pioneer in a little over a cubic foot custom box and it pounds... a system has to have the correct combination of items..

JL makes good and bad models.. all depends.. and they are not the same company that they were 10 years ago..

sorry for rant


4 main items for agood sound.
- plenty of power to the amp
- class D amp with more than enough juice to drive the sub
- Jub with good coils and large magnet..
- a proper proportion box matched to the specific sub..

the box airspace needs to meet the ratings of the individual sub..

ie. FI Death Penalty make tones of bass.. BUT they are huge, heavy, and take up a ton of space and require a ton of air space..



the brand name is not as important as the individual model..

very good post, but just want to add, magnet size shouldn't be the determining factor on buying a subwoofer. Some stack magnets just for that, wow factor. but as long as you have enough motor strength to run a woofer like it should mechanically, its enough. Imagine Neo woofers, people would pass them up becasue of magnet size, when they work perfect, just a Neo mag.

I've never dealt with AQ... BUT, I'm not talking bad about JL at all they are a good company, just seem over priced to me when compared to many of the smaller companies. I agree with why the smaller companies can sell for less, though. Just stating what I know personally.

and I'm not saying anything 'bad' per 'se to smaller companies, but they need those other higher mainstream manufactures to do the leg work. Which in return, cost JL and other more.

 

[J-dub]

and I'm not saying anything 'bad' per 'se to smaller companies, but they need those other higher mainstream manufactures to do the leg work. Which in return, cost JL and other more.

Hopefully someone will keep buying JL and others then! Lol