Must Be Running to go to Neutral

Disclaimer: Links on this page pointing to Amazon, eBay and other sites may include affiliate code. If you click them and make a purchase, we may earn a small commission.

RonLC

TYF Newbie
Joined
Apr 18, 2021
Posts
9
Reaction score
4
My 2021 Yukon Denali 4 x4 must be running to shift into Neutral. Found out the hard way when it would not start because of a faulty fuel pump module while parked nose to wall in my condo parking spot. We have 4 floors with three living floors above parking garage. Called road service and they wanted it put into Neutral so it could be pulled out of the space and towed. Calls to the dealer and GM resulted in the finding that it cannot be shifted with the engine off. A special wrecker came and lifted the back wheels to get it out. This seems to me to be a bad design feature.
 

Pertzbro

Full Access Member
Joined
Nov 15, 2021
Posts
112
Reaction score
47
this is well documented.

Ram is similar but has a safety release that is hidden and not well known that can get it done in emergencies
 
OP
OP
R

RonLC

TYF Newbie
Joined
Apr 18, 2021
Posts
9
Reaction score
4
It has been confirmed by the dealer as a fuel module issue. There was a recall on this for some VIN's in 2021 but I did not get one.

The dealer's parking lot has several Tahoe and Yukons waiting for the back ordered module. Must be pretty widespread.
 
OP
OP
R

RonLC

TYF Newbie
Joined
Apr 18, 2021
Posts
9
Reaction score
4
Thanks. It looks like they failed to notify me about this. It has been to the selling GMC dealer twice for service and this was never mentioned.
 

Blackcar

Full Access Member
Joined
Mar 31, 2018
Posts
925
Reaction score
871
Thanks. It looks like they failed to notify me about this. It has been to the selling GMC dealer twice for service and this was never mentioned.
I would be questioning them about that that is a safety issue. They are not allowed to sell unites until repaired but let customers drive their vehicles with this issue going on. I bet they fixed the ones they couldn't sell ASAP and letting customer drive unsafe vehicle.
 

Blackcar

Full Access Member
Joined
Mar 31, 2018
Posts
925
Reaction score
871
Parking pawl requires hydraulic pressure to be released. There IS a ~$300 manual realease tool that can be attached to the trans under the vehicle to put it into neutral -
Dealer should make sure vehicle retrievers they hire to tow in these vehicles have the tool to release park pawl for towing vehicle back to dealership for repair. In reading the forum seems a lot of damage and problems with hired tow services.
 

Polo08816

Full Access Member
Joined
Aug 24, 2010
Posts
808
Reaction score
342
this is well documented.

Ram is similar but has a safety release that is hidden and not well known that can get it done in emergencies

It's the same design with all cars that have the ZF 8HP. However, it is a pain in the ass on low clearance vehicles because you need to jack up the car securely to get to the release.

If your car is not completely dead, there is a way to trick it into neutral while the starter is attempting to turn over the engine.
 
OP
OP
R

RonLC

TYF Newbie
Joined
Apr 18, 2021
Posts
9
Reaction score
4
You mimd sharing the way?
It's the same design with all cars that have the ZF 8HP. However, it is a pain in the ass on low clearance vehicles because you need to jack up the car securely to get to the release.

If your car is not completely dead, there is a way to trick it into neutral while the starter is attempting to turn over the engine.
 

Polo08816

Full Access Member
Joined
Aug 24, 2010
Posts
808
Reaction score
342
You mimd sharing the way?
Hit the engine start/stop button once and as the starter attempts to turn over keep hitting the console shifter into neutral. The transmission may go into neutral. I'm not sure how this would work with a rotary dial shifter like in a Ram, though.

Fortunately, pickups have higher ground clearance and it's possible to slide underneath the vehicle to hit the parking pawl release screw. This wasn't possible on my 335i which is about 4-6 inches of ground clearance.
 

Rocket Man

Mark
Supporting Member
Joined
Dec 25, 2014
Posts
26,679
Reaction score
52,949
Location
Oregon
I don’t see the issue. Any AWD needs to have dollys put under one set of wheels and the other end lifted up. I just had my 02 towed, and AAA knew to send a tow truck that would do this. Even if it’s put in neutral, you can’t tow it with wheels on the ground.
 
OP
OP
R

RonLC

TYF Newbie
Joined
Apr 18, 2021
Posts
9
Reaction score
4
I don’t see the issue. Any AWD needs to have dollys put under one set of wheels and the other end lifted up. I just had my 02 towed, and AAA knew to send a tow truck that would do this. Even if it’s put in neutral, you can’t tow it with wheels on the ground.
Not AWD (is 4x4) and the issue was how to pull it out of a parking place...nose to a wall in garage...without putting it in neutral. The answer turned out to be a "repo" wrecker that could slip an aparatus underneath and raise the back wheels and pull it out.
 

Blackcar

Full Access Member
Joined
Mar 31, 2018
Posts
925
Reaction score
871
Not AWD (is 4x4) and the issue was how to pull it out of a parking place...nose to a wall in garage...without putting it in neutral. The answer turned out to be a "repo" wrecker that could slip an aparatus underneath and raise the back wheels and pull it out.
Unless it's backed in.It's just that there are certain situations that you need vehicle in neutral.
To me having something on outside of vehicle to release park pawl is great for thief's there should be a place inside vehicle to allow that, I think in this thread someone said Ram truck have something inside truck. At least they would have to break in vehicle to release. But there is a lot of ways for thieves to acquire a vehicle if they want it.
 

Rocket Man

Mark
Supporting Member
Joined
Dec 25, 2014
Posts
26,679
Reaction score
52,949
Location
Oregon
Not AWD (is 4x4) and the issue was how to pull it out of a parking place...nose to a wall in garage...without putting it in neutral. The answer turned out to be a "repo" wrecker that could slip an aparatus underneath and raise the back wheels and pull it out.
I understand yours isn’t AWD but the result is the same. My point is a good tow truck driver knows how to get a vehicle out of a spot even if none of the wheels turn. Mine was in a parking spot with vehicles on both sides. He did this while his was at almost a 90* angle at the rear of my truck because there were cars in the spots directly behind me. He was able to put dollies under the front wheels and used a big long steel bar to crank them to raise the front off the ground, then angle his lift under the back and lift the rear up. He didn’t complain, he mentioned he knew he needed to do this because it was AWD and he knew he needed the heavy steel bars instead of the aluminum ones to crank those dollies because it’s a full size heavy a*s thing. What I’m saying is a good driver knows how to tow anything , and get it out of anywhere it might be. I’ve never had a tow driver fail me and I’m old AF.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
137,805
Posts
1,992,589
Members
102,792
Latest member
Hodmjstone
Back
Top