Where Is the best grounding spot in the back of A Tahoe?

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2003tahoe4

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What is the best place to ground your amps/rear batteries in the back of 2001 -2005 tahoes, I plan on putting my amps under the rear bench seat that lifts up, where does everyone ground to, is there a bolt that is good, thanks
 

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i grounded mine to the bolt that bolts the seats down
 

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The frame is the best ground possible... but if your lazy, you can get away with using the seat bolt just sand off the paint where your wire/ or terinal will contact metal....

But ide ground to frame, better off that way!
 

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The frame is the best ground possible... but if your lazy, you can get away with using the seat bolt just sand off the paint where your wire/ or terinal will contact metal....

But ide ground to frame, better off that way!

so you tellin me that you ground your amps to the frame of the vehicle, but its lazy to ground to the seat bolt which connects to the frame at some point wtf
 

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so you tellin me that you ground your amps to the frame of the vehicle, but its lazy to ground to the seat bolt which connects to the frame at some point wtf



Frame as in chassis, frame rails. Not the body as you are thinking of.


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would grounding it to the frame make a difference over grouding to the chassis sheetmetal, also is there a place that you can bolt to the frame or do you have to drill holes through the floor to run wire down to the frame
 

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the ground should be as short as possible, therfore the seat frame should be fine after sanding.
 

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I used the little tab by the rear driver side tire on the frame as my ground. (you can reach it from the inner fender kneeling by the tire) go through the floor with a grommet and done. I used the frame because its the best direct path to the battery. If you did the Big 3 it is even more wise to go to the frame on the same side the battery is grounded.

Best would be a pos and neg run right from the battery. Just not as cost effective.
 

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oh man, this section just keeps getting filled with more and more unreliable information..
the ground does not need to be as short as possible the best ground is one that is connected to the front battery.. yes a complete run from the front negative terminal on your battery to the back where your amp is

that ensures a COMPLETE circuit with no ifs, ands or buts

currently my ground is to the seat bolt like suggested, it works but it is not something you should rely on as your BEST grounding spot

grounding is all about resistance.. sure you can ground to the seat bolt that eventually goes to the frame but you have so many variables in the way that resist the current from flowing

as suggested the Big III will help ensure a lot of your current gets to the right spot
or you can go one step further than that

ground your battery to the frame, frame to the engine block (where the alternator bolts in on the bottom bolt), and engine block to negative terminal on the battery
then of course positive terminal to positive on the alternator

good luck OP :)
 

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I used a bolt that is under the plastic trim that you run all your wires through under the back door. Worked great!
 

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do it safe and if you want to notice a difference in bass ground straight off of the ALTERNATOR ground i have a alt ground and chassis ground lol extra safe :)
 

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I used the frame because its the best direct path to the battery. If you did the Big 3 it is even more wise to go to the frame on the same side the battery is grounded.

Best would be a pos and neg run right from the battery. Just not as cost effective.

SInce when was the battery part of the circuit path from the alternator?
Electron flow is
Alternator ground to negative on the amp,
thru the device and out the positive amp terminal
then back to the alternator's +

I see no battery there...

nor is there any "ground" in a 12V DC circuit. There is only Positive and negative.

Thehoe92: I agree re: more & more incorrect info.

However, the first paragraph of your post is symptomatic of the cancer afflicting this forum... I'm sorry but... you are 100% wrong.


The alternator/engine block/transmission is your 'ground'... Now Which is connected to the drivetrain directly in multiple places, the body/chassis assembly or the battery?

The body OR the chassis (and especially both bolted together) is the largest most current flowing damn wire you can have. Big enough to flow LIGHTNING without damage. It is so large a "wire" you can essentially ignore it or consider it as having 0 resistance (though the wires completing the circuit do have resistance)


The issue on SOME VEHICLES is there can be a piece of sheet metal that is bonded in place or uses plastic fasteners, rather than being welded or securely bolted. Or maybe it has only the equivalent of a tack-weld connecting it. Connecting an amp to those would have poor electrical continuity to the body shell.
A seat frame is a structural component, and will have one of/if not the best connection to the chassis/shell possible. Lots of surface area and Huge cross section.

The really ****** thing about doing it the way you suggest is this:

1: the current capacity & voltage drop/resistance of a wire is inverse to its length. 6" of 8 gauge has less resistance and voltage drop than 20ft of 1/0!


2: if you ever have an issue with your battery to chassis ground or battery to engine block for whatever reason (loose bolt, corrosion inside the wire or terminal are the most common), then you have provided an alternate path for the starter motor to source 'battery negative' thru your stereo equipment.

IE: thru your amp's negative to the rca ground shield to the head unit's chassis negative, to the driveline to the chassis straps.

If the amp is mounted to chassis metal with conductive hardware, you might get lucky and just have it flow thru the amp circuit board to the amp shell and thru the bolts back to the chassis.

It lets the magic smoke out of your devices VERY VERY effectively.

"But I have a circuit breaker/fuse on my battery wire!!!"- Anonymous dufus

-Since power is not flowing on the positive side of the aftermarket amp circuit, you won;t even pop your + circuit breaker/fuse when 300amps runs thru your equipment. :(


To further prove the battery isn;t in the circuit---

You don't even NEED a battery for a vehicle (and it's electrical systems) to operate if the engine is running... Batteries weren't placed in cars until 1911! Model Ts, for example, didn't get batteries standard until 1926, 9 years after electric headlights.

If all the above doesn;t convince ALL OF YOU that the battery is NOT the "ideal" place to connect your negative wire, nothing will.

Even in my BMW with a convenient rear mounted battery, I used chassis 'ground'...
In my MGB, same, even though that was only 1" from the battery negative.
DSM, same, and it was front mounted battery...

and 3 times I have seen someone attach a neg. amp lead to the battery and fry their equipment.
 
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Sweet!

I was just too brief I guess. I find it to be a waste of time to preach. I don't feel like stepping on the toes of any forum gods either...lol

The whole audio side of things is a crapshoot here!
 

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I don't mean to come off as abrasive as I often do, Wrench, thanks for taking it in good humour.

This forum is all over the place because we have a lot of varied opinions. Many are based on real world experience, or second hand experience which is good, but sometimes the explanation lacks the technical backing and science to support it.

A lot of mythology is simply so pervasive, so old, and so widespread via the internet and car audio forums and 'a friend' or "a shop" or car audio sales persons themselves, that it is almost impossible to tell that folks it isn't true. Most of it is "Monkey see -monkey do".

So you get myths like this "battery negative is the ultimate ground" which has been going around for 20 or 25 years now. Upgrading the charge wire, which is a valid mod for most vehicles, became "the big 3" which isn't. Adding more batteries for competition vehicles that competed with engines off, becomes 'everyone who wants to get loud needs 2 or more batteries' adding a cap to make up for an amp with insufficient onboard capacitance, becomes "stop your lights from dimming'
RCAS on one side and power on the other becomes a rule, rather than a convenience.



mostly the charge needs upgrading, and sometimes the engine to chassis on imports (like hondas)
 

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The issue on SOME VEHICLES is there can be a piece of sheet metal that is bonded in place or uses plastic fasteners, rather than being welded or securely bolted. Or maybe it has only the equivalent of a tack-weld connecting it.

I think this is the MOST important paragraph from your post.

Because of what you correctly stated, I think people started going straight to the battery because it "was the best ground". Well, it probably was the best ground compared to the tack-welded piece they were trying to use, but if they would have just extended their ground wire by 2 feet and used a proper panel, then their alternator whine or ground loop would have disappeared.

And even more so now with different materials being used, such as carbon fiber or fiberglass for weight savings, some people have no choice but to run a wire to the battery or engine block, therefore keeping the battery "myth" alive and not really understanding their specific situation.
 

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hey eagle why do u always feel it necessary to prove hoe92 wrong?
he knows his shit

just noticed lately all you do is go in threads he posts in and try to prove him wrong
 

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hey eagle why do u always feel it necessary to prove hoe92 wrong?
he knows his shit

just noticed lately all you do is go in threads he posts in and try to prove him wrong
Interesting opinion.

You don't notice much in NBS-land, do you, if it doesn't involve thehoe92? Just a guess.

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