2009 Tahoe harness has power with battery neg disconnected and power to ground short issue.

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my 2009 tahoe has an extremely difficult short to ground issue, ill try to explain best i can. Ill start with ecm and front of truck side, the Lo fan circuit does not work even with fans commanded on but the high side works only if the truck overheats or is commanded on thru obd. the fan relay pins have an intermittent ground issue for the low fan relay. ive verified low fan does work and all connections and grounds on the front of the truck are good even the core support grounds. Ive swapped relays checked fuses w my power probe and even tore apart the fuse block and found a tiny bit of corrosion on the circuit board but didnt see any burn marks or damage so i cleaned it with alcohol and put it back in. The ecm itself has an intermittent ground/ voltage on the ecm body itself .1-.4V. ive swapped ecms 2 times and no difference. truck has false map and o2 codes as well. The alternator also puts out 15-16 volts on cold starts for some reason. ive checked all rear truck frame grounds and those are good. ive now added a ground cable from the ecm to the engine block, key on it grounds good but when running it has intermittent 0-.1 volt ground on my power probe, all the affected shorting circuits make my power probe sound like morse code is the best way i can explain it lol. i cleaned the engine block grounds up and battery terminals ofc too. the body of the alternator is good solid ground too.
the green pin 58 ecm wire is the one i tested with the battery neg disconnected and it still had 11.8 volts.

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radio harness has 1.8V on the bare ground wires (its a navigation/ theater unit) seat motors has .1 volts on the body of them, radio has static only with aux cord plugged in and changes with volume. using features (turn signals, interior lights, etc) make the headlights at night have a visible dim from the amp draw. ive disconnected seat harnesses and removed seats no change, disconnected body control module and no change, checked most interior grounding points aside from any under the carpet or in the rear of the vehicle and those are all good. the vcim has the intermittent ground issue from the body of it as well. ive unplugged the radio and amp fuses for 3 days to see if its a capacitor short but that made no difference. i see no evidence of a prior sound system being in the truck either. cigarette lighter ground connections are good. i unplugged all other control panels in the dashboard and that didnt change anything either.

if any gm electrical magician has any ideas pls help lol
 

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Unfortunately it sounds like you need a battery and maybe an alt? Should test it but you never know
 

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So alternator body has good ground, but lots of other things don't? Check your engine to body ground? There's one that goes from engine to firewall maybe?
 

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2009 Tahoe harness has power with battery neg disconnected​

is a impossibility unless there is a 2nd battery.
the electrons cannot flow if the circuit is incomplete, disconnecting the negative battery post kills the circuit.
so unless there is a 2nd battery or a tool or something is sitting on the ground post then nope.....
there could be a small amount of energy stored a capacitor or something but that's going to be a short very small amount.
 
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your title

2009 Tahoe harness has power with battery neg disconnected​

is a impossibility unless there is a 2nd battery.
the electrons cannot flow if the circuit is incomplete, disconnecting the negative battery post kills the circuit.
so unless there is a 2nd battery or a tool or something is sitting on the ground post then nope.....
there could be a small amount of energy stored a capacitor or something but that's going to be a short very small amount.
your title

2009 Tahoe harness has power with battery neg disconnected​

is a impossibility unless there is a 2nd battery.
the electrons cannot flow if the circuit is incomplete, disconnecting the negative battery post kills the circuit.
so unless there is a 2nd battery or a tool or something is sitting on the ground post then nope.....
there could be a small amount of energy stored a capacitor or something but that's going to be a short very small amount.


I can’t send video but the neg is disconnected and my green relay control wire off the ecm harness is still 11.8v. Seems impossible to me too I’m just as confused lol
 

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So alternator body has good ground, but lots of other things don't? Check your engine to body ground? There's one that goes from engine to firewall maybe?
Yes alternator body is always constant ground and my battery terminal always has good constant ground. I’ve checked the firewall ground too
 

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I can’t send video but the neg is disconnected and my green relay control wire off the ecm harness is still 11.8v. Seems impossible to me too I’m just as confused lol

Makes sense. Your meter is reading the voltage like it should. Your title made it sound like you disconnected negative cable and everything still has power.

You can use jumper cables from the negative of the battery to the engine, from the negative battery to the body, from the engine to the body etc to rule out any of the main ground connections that way.

But Low voltages like that can be one component with a bad ground or something shorting to ground causing a voltage leak. You might be able to find that by pulling fuses one at a time until it stops.
 

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I can’t send video but the neg is disconnected and my green relay control wire off the ecm harness is still 11.8v. Seems impossible to me too I’m just as confused lol
in your photo, there is a battery charger clip on the negative post, something is completing the circuit from the battery otherwise the power cannot flow. It's just not possible otherwise
 
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in your photo, there is a battery charger clip on the negative post, something is completing the circuit from the battery otherwise the power cannot flow. It's just not possible otherwise
It’s my power probe I’m testing it with
 
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Makes sense. Your meter is reading the voltage like it should. Your title made it sound like you disconnected negative cable and everything still has power.

You can use jumper cables from the negative of the battery to the engine, from the negative battery to the body, from the engine to the body etc to rule out any of the main ground connections that way.

But Low voltages like that can be one component with a bad ground or something shorting to ground causing a voltage leak. You might be able to find that by pulling fuses one at a time until it stops.
The only blown fuse I’ve found is for the air compressor. I’d think if there was a short to ground it would blow a fuse but maybe not. I tried grounding the ecm to the engine block and that didn’t change anything. I’ll try grounding batt to body and batt to frame. I just don’t understand how it can affect everything from ecm, maf, throttle body, to power seat motors, radio harness, and all other computer modules I’ve tested.
 

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So alternator body has good ground, but lots of other things don't? Check your engine to body ground? There's one that goes from engine to firewall maybe?
Yes, in the back. Couple of fish eyes back there.
 

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Here's how to do a valid voltage drop test, just one of many YouTube videos on the subject. Make sure those cables can handle the load.

 
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Yes, in the back. Couple of fish eyes back there.
ive checked the rear frame grounds and all body metal ive touhced has been true ground. its only in the computer and relay control side of things that ive found so far. every module behaves the same except bcm i didnt see any issues with it.
 

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I can’t send video but the neg is disconnected and my green relay control wire off the ecm harness is still 11.8v. Seems impossible to me too I’m just as confused lol
Possible that the key on engine off power is still active? Disconnect again and have someone open doors to kill power. Just shooting in the dark
 

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See if pcm power drops then. And does it ever drop off?
 

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