Will z95 shocks work with z55 system, any definitive answer?

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Is there that much of a difference in ride between Z55 and Z95 on our GMT900's?

I think it's pretty clear that the 3rd gen Z95 sjocksa shocks different than the 2nx generation Z55.

inresistance (ohms) with a multimeter it should be twice or half the resistance of the Z55 shocks.
 

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I think it's pretty clear that the 3rd gen Z95 sjocksa shocks different than the 2nx generation Z55.

inresistance (ohms) with a multimeter it should be twice or half the resistance of the Z55 shocks.

That wasn't my question.... I asked if there was much of a difference in the ride quality between the 2.
 

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I’m not sure what the difference is on a normal rig but for me and my now #8000 Escalade with 8lug Denali 2500 wheels, ive always felt like it needs more damping power. I think that the magneride struts have the greatest potential to provide that. The z55s have regular shock valving with the addition of a solenoid in the center. The HD springs with my extra unsprung weigh, I feel just push the fluid right through the z55 valving, and that little solenoid never has a need to open because the fluid rate is already so rapidly displaced.
 

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That wasn't my question.... I asked if there was much of a difference in the ride quality between the 2.

Looks like Magneride was on upscale models. I would imagine its going to feel different. Everything suspension wise is geared towards comfort as we all know. Is there a ride select switch (sport/ tow/comfort) on the 07-14?
 
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Looks like Magneride was on upscale models. I would imagine its going to feel different. Everything suspension wise is geared towards comfort as we all know. Is there a ride select switch (sport/ tow/comfort) on the 07-14?
Not that I know. On the k2xx there is.
 

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The prev owner of my 2005 Tahoe put Arnott AS-2708 on the rear to replace the 7-8 year old Delphi air ride z55 shocks. I Just replaced them again. So got another 8 years. Seem to work fine. No more body roll side to side when turning. The Arnotts were obviously worn out. I dont know if they ride the same as the factory air shocks. Oh yeah also replaced air line and air pump too as it was rusted
 
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I know that it’s possible to add RPO options to GM vehicles and if the modules you add run the same OS protocol they work together happily via the CANBUS network. There are about 25 computers on the network in an GMT900 Escalade. I now have 29 as I put an LMM diesel, Allison transmission, and factory integrated trailer brake control module in my 08 Escalade ESV. The front end weighs about 1000# more than stock. I had to put some custom HD springs up front to compensate. The stiffer spring and extra weight really work the shocks, and I only get 80-90k miles out of them before they are shot and leaking profusely.
I bought some 15+ magneride struts to put in. (These have the twin electro magnets inside vs 1 and I believe have a larger DIA center shaft which will hopefully be more robust. Also have the pigtail wires coming out the top).
My first experiment with these was just to plug them in and see how the computer likes them, so I stuffed them under the hood, disconnected the connectors and plugged the magnerides into the harness and took it for a drive around town. The computer didn’t throw any codes or have any issues, so I’m going to go ahead and install these completely and see what happens.
I guess worst case scenario I have to buy a magneride ESCM and plug it in to run the shocks.
I wonder if the rear shocks are all the same, or if there are inherent differences between the Z95Magneride and Z55 electronic Sus.
Very cool. I’d like to hear more about how you added the factory ITBC. What hardware, wiring and programming were involved?


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I know that it’s possible to add RPO options to GM vehicles and if the modules you add run the same OS protocol they work together happily via the CANBUS network. There are about 25 computers on the network in an GMT900 Escalade. I now have 29 as I put an LMM diesel, Allison transmission, and factory integrated trailer brake control module in my 08 Escalade ESV. The front end weighs about 1000# more than stock. I had to put some custom HD springs up front to compensate. The stiffer spring and extra weight really work the shocks, and I only get 80-90k miles out of them before they are shot and leaking profusely.
I bought some 15+ magneride struts to put in. (These have the twin electro magnets inside vs 1 and I believe have a larger DIA center shaft which will hopefully be more robust. Also have the pigtail wires coming out the top).
My first experiment with these was just to plug them in and see how the computer likes them, so I stuffed them under the hood, disconnected the connectors and plugged the magnerides into the harness and took it for a drive around town. The computer didn’t throw any codes or have any issues, so I’m going to go ahead and install these completely and see what happens.
I guess worst case scenario I have to buy a magneride ESCM and plug it in to run the shocks.
I wonder if the rear shocks are all the same, or if there are inherent differences between the Z95Magneride and Z55 electronic Sus.
any updates?
 

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CMatt, the ITBC was just a matter of mounting the module to the frame in an OE like location running the additional wires into the stock loom along the frame rail and following the OE schematics to make sure all the wires connected in the right places. some re-pinning of connectors was necessary, and you have to have the CANBUS wire pair tapped into the Canbus circuit of the vehicle. No programing needed for it to work and activate the trailer brakes. The Escalade dash cluster does not display the brake gain or trailer connected signals, it was never intended to have those capabilities so those lights and messages were not programed into its eprom.
On my tech2 I can see that the ITBCM is on the network and communicating, I can also interrogate the ITBCM and see data like brake line pressure, trailer connected, gain, manual apply switch percentage. It hasn’t thrown any codes to date, so it been happy in its new home for the last 200,000 miles.
 
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CMatt, the ITBC was just a matter of mounting the module to the frame in an OE like location running the additional wires into the stock loom along the frame rail and following the OE schematics to make sure all the wires connected in the right places. some re-pinning of connectors was necessary, and you have to have the CANBUS wire pair tapped into the Canbus circuit of the vehicle. No programing needed for it to work and activate the trailer brakes. The Escalade dash cluster does not display the brake gain or trailer connected signals, it was never intended to have those capabilities so those lights and messages were not programed into its eprom.
On my tech2 I can see that the ITBCM is on the network and communicating, I can also interrogate the ITBCM and see data like brake line pressure, trailer connected, gain, manual apply switch percentage. It hasn’t thrown any codes to date, so it been happy in its new home for the last 200,000 miles.
what about the shocks?
 

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The full write up and details of the CadiMAX “Carbon Chrome” edition is posted on diesel place. My username there is Longhorse.

I have not installed the magneride shocks yet. I’ve got it torn apart to do head studs and a compound turbo set up.

but here are some pics of the shocks put together with my custom HD springs and pigtails pinned into a connector that is compatible with OE GMT 900 strut plug.

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I had a nice read on your CadiMax(zilla) build. Can't wait to see how the Magneride behaves on your Escalade.

Are you using the components from 07-14 or 15-20 Magneride. I'm looking to see if the later of the two are x compatible and if one is better than the other. All four corners need to be replaced on our 09 Escalade. As usual looking for an upgrade to sneak in a regular maintenance.
 

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Any updates to this? My 2006 Esky needs new shocks Z55 and compressor. I am looking for the most soft plush ride, and I have both Z55 and Z95 on my radar, if its all plug and play?
 

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This is the email I just got this morning from Arnott regarding the Z55/Z95

May Fleming [email protected] said:
Good Morning,

The AS-2708 is correct for the Z55, and you are correct on the P-3242, as well. I am very sorry to hear that someone said something so misleading to you! There are big differences in the options. The MagneRide shocks are really neat technology!!! They have magnetically charged particles in the shock fluid which deliver a very smooth ride and balanced ride – something reminiscent of the old school GM cars. That technology has since been adapted and used to create prosthetic limbs for people.

The AutoRide is a great suspension package too, but has different electrical connections on the shocks for installation, and does not have the magnetically charged particles.

Thank you,
May Fleming
Receptionist/Administrative Assistant

2 different people at Arnott saying contradicting things..

I dont know where Robert works at in the Arnott industries, but May Fleming is just a receptionist, so I do wonder about her expertise..
 

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There’s a huge gap of info between the two. The only real source willing to break it down would likely be Arnott as they manufacture their own and reengineer them.


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the Bose magntic ride control was way better it can "jump over objects"
 

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the Bose magntic ride control was way better it can "jump over objects"
Did you mean to say "Magnetic suspension by Delphi.."?? I have never heard of Bose doing anything with shock absorbers on automobiles before.
 
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I am contimplating buying some Z95 shocks a ran across for a good price. They are used, and came off a 2014 Esky, with low miles (40K), for 200 bucks.

Have a couple questions for you @Doubeleive
I am going to try and put these on my 2006 Esky

The dimensions are only 1/4 inch different in overall height, and 1/8 inch in expanded/collapsed length. So I am not worried about anything here.

They are generationally different, does this affect what you are trying to accomplish? These would be going on a generation that is different than what you have (NBS vs NNBS), any affects here?

Trying to help the community as a whole, if the information I would get from this would not help you in what you are trying to accomplish, and others involved on the thread, I might consider going a different route.

Anything I am not thinking about that would affect your goals?

I still cant understand why the Z95 shocks are cheaper than the Z55 shocks, being that the Z95 shocks are supposed to have more engineering and science to them.
 

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