Recommended tires?

[Doubeleive]

Had those on my wife's 2010 Tahoe we just sold in lieu of the Suburban we just got and while they were nice and quiet and all that, I wasn't too impressed with the wear. In 15K miles they were pretty damn worn, even with my frequent air checks, rotating them every 5-7K etc. And they didn't even come with treadlife warranty.

Was thinking about Eagle Tourings for the Sub, but since GY didn't want to give any treadlife warranty on them either, I just ordered a set of Bridgestone Dueler Alenza H/Ls from Costco. Have never bought a set of Bridgestones, so we'll see how it goes. Treadlife warranty is 80K, though.

I know treadlife warranty isn't necessarily an indication of anything, but at least I can go back to Costco and complain in case they wear out too soon.

Ya there kind of a bang-for-buck kind of thing I don't get 60k out them but for the price I get real good performance in trade, I like them because they are a "medium" rubber tire, Michelin's for comparison are a very "hard" rubber yes you get more miles but you won't get the same performance of a softer tire. It's just my preference I am not concerned with getting miles out of them I am concerned with them sticking to the road when it matters the most. The type of rubber used makes a difference
I fit into the enthusiast category in regards to tires
Performance all-season tires come in H- and V-speed rating on many newer cars, especially those with enthusiast appeal or upgraded wheels. They tend to have better cornering grip than S- and T-speed rated all-season tires, but performance tires may not wear as long..........

 

[sealandsky]

Had those on my wife's 2010 Tahoe we just sold in lieu of the Suburban we just got and while they were nice and quiet and all that, I wasn't too impressed with the wear. In 15K miles they were pretty damn worn, even with my frequent air checks, rotating them every 5-7K etc. And they didn't even come with treadlife warranty.

Was thinking about Eagle Tourings for the Sub, but since GY didn't want to give any treadlife warranty on them either, I just ordered a set of Bridgestone Dueler Alenza H/Ls from Costco. Have never bought a set of Bridgestones, so we'll see how it goes. Treadlife warranty is 80K, though.

I know treadlife warranty isn't necessarily an indication of anything, but at least I can go back to Costco and complain in case they wear out too soon.

My 2019 Denali came with the Bridgeston Alenza's and with 18K miles on them I'm down to min tread. I'll be buying Michelin Premier's in the next couple weeks.

 

[Joseph Garcia]

My 2019 Denali came with the Bridgeston Alenza's and with 18K miles on them I'm down to min tread. I'll be buying Michelin Premier's in the next couple weeks.

As you consider purchasing Michelin brand tires, I suggest that you also look at the Defenders, in addition to the Premiers.

 

[tsuintx]

My 2019 Denali came with the Bridgeston Alenza's and with 18K miles on them I'm down to min tread. I'll be buying Michelin Premier's in the next couple weeks.

If the 80K mile tires that are going on tomorrow are done with at 18K, Costco will definitely hear from me.

 

[wjburken]

If the 80K mile tires that are going on tomorrow are done with at 18K, Costco will definitely hear from me.

When people talk about wear on Bridgestone’s please keep in mind that there are three different tires with Bridgestone Dueler Alenza on them with three different wear ratings. I have averaged over 80K on the Duelers I have run on my rigs.

 

[wjburken]

If the 80K mile tires that are going on tomorrow are done with at 18K, Costco will definitely hear from me.

Man, I just don't get it. I believe every one of you guys with what you are saying you are getting for wear out of your tires, but something doesn't make sense that there would be such a wide disparity in this area. As an engineer, this is driving me nuts as I believe there has to be something we are missing that is causing these differing outcomes. My personal experience is that the Bridgestone Dueler Alenza H/L's give me 85K+ of wear. I also read here where folks are getting similar wear out of their Michelin Defenders. That is why I am just baffled when I also read that folks are only getting 20K to 30K of wear out of what is supposedly the same tire. So I did some looking. Tire Rack has a few different options for tires shown for my 2013 Denali XL with the H/L Alenza name with different Load, Speed, Treadwear, Traction and Treadwear ratings. I wonder if this is contributing to the different experiences of folks because folks all have Alenza's but different performance ratings.

Dueler H/L Alenza Plus - 111H - UTQG: 800 A A - ECO-Product (whatever that means)
Dueler H/L Alenza - 111H - UTQG: 600 A B
Dueler H/L Alenza - 111S - UTQG: 700 B B (what I have been buying and is listed as OEM)
Dueler H/L Alenza - 113T - UTQG: 600 A A

Here is the link to what I ordered the last two times and what was on my 2013 when we bought it in July of 2019.
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Dueler+H/L+Alenza&partnum=755SR0HLALNZ

For Michelin this is what I found for the LTX line of tires shown on Tire Rack for my 2013 Denali XL
LTX A/T 2 - 113T - UTQG: 500 A B
Defender LTX M/S - 113T - UTQG: 800 A A
LTX M/S2 - 113H - UTQG: 720 A A - Green X (whatever that means)

I know that I may push the life a little so instead of 85K, maybe I should say I get 75K+ of good thread life and then another 10K of life because I might push it a little.
My wife also does most of the driving and her commute is mainly highway so that may contribute to out experiences. She is also not an aggressive driver, usually.
I rotate the tires every other oil change (7000-8000 miles) and maintain the tire pressure regularly. Not saying others don't, just explaining what is happening on our vehicle.

Like I said, there has to be something that can explain the different experiences folks are having.

 

[tsuintx]

I fit into the enthusiast category in regards to tires
Performance all-season tires come in H- and V-speed rating on many newer cars, especially those with enthusiast appeal or upgraded wheels. They tend to have better cornering grip than S- and T-speed rated all-season tires, but performance tires may not wear as long..........

I get it. I’ve had plenty of preformance vehicles that benefited from perfomance tires and you could definitely tell a difference between different tires.

However, I am talking here about my wife and she isn’t in the enthusiast category. She’s one of those who could care less. As long as the truck runs and drives reliably. LOL! I drive her ride so few times a year that I can live with less enthusiastic tire capabilities. Haha!

 

[Doubeleive]

I get it. However, at least I am talking about my wife and she isn’t in the enthusiast category. She’s one of those who could care less. As long as the truck runs and drives reliably. I drive her ride somfew times that I can live with less enthusiastic tire capabilities. Haha!

my main thing with the goodyear eagles has mostly been how good they did in the rain, truly impressed no more spin outs, even after they get worn down they won't break grip and still no road noise. A new set of the ls/2's run me about $650, the sports about $750 can't complain

 

[ThisIsLivin]

My philosophy is that my tires are the single most important safety feature on my vehicle. I've had a lot of vehicles and lots of different tires and the differences are dramatic. My tire store loves me, when I look for new tires, I ask what is the best tire I can buy. Long wearing is 3rd or 4th down the list and price is even further down. When somebody runs a light or pulls out in front of you, traction is the thing you need most. I've had Michelin tires on 3 different vehicles and I have taken them off early because their traction sucks. I currently have a set of Michelin Pilot Sports on my Corvette that work great when it's 90 out but once it hits 70 you better leave traction control on because you will need it. My wifes Cadillac came with Michelins and they were like new and I took them off because they were dangerous. When I switched her to the Continental pure performance she thanked me. We both drive a lot and have seen some pretty dumb stunts on the road. That's why I buy the best brakes money can buy and tires to go with them. I can't count how many times that philosophy has saved us. My only concern is can the guy behind me stop. I had a deer jump out right in front of me once and I was able to stop in time to avoid it, mind you I ruined a brand new set of Goodyear high performance tires to do it. My question to you is, how much do you love your wife?

 

[mb1500]

My philosophy is that my tires are the single most important safety feature on my vehicle. I've had a lot of vehicles and lots of different tires and the differences are dramatic. My tire store loves me, when I look for new tires, I ask what is the best tire I can buy. Long wearing is 3rd or 4th down the list and price is even further down. When somebody runs a light or pulls out in front of you, traction is the thing you need most. I've had Michelin tires on 3 different vehicles and I have taken them off early because their traction sucks. I currently have a set of Michelin Pilot Sports on my Corvette that work great when it's 90 out but once it hits 70 you better leave traction control on because you will need it. My wifes Cadillac came with Michelins and they were like new and I took them off because they were dangerous. When I switched her to the Continental pure performance she thanked me. We both drive a lot and have seen some pretty dumb stunts on the road. That's why I buy the best brakes money can buy and tires to go with them. I can't count how many times that philosophy has saved us. My only concern is can the guy behind me stop. I had a deer jump out right in front of me once and I was able to stop in time to avoid it, mind you I ruined a brand new set of Goodyear high performance tires to do it. My question to you is, how much do you love your wife?

You must be in sales, what a pitch..

 

[sealandsky]

As you consider purchasing Michelin brand tires, I suggest that you also look at the Defenders, in addition to the Premiers.

My understanding is that the Premiers have a softer compound and thus better traction (and shorter life). I'll give up some tread for traction.

 

[sealandsky]

As you consider purchasing Michelin brand tires, I suggest that you also look at the Defenders, in addition to the Premiers.

And by the way, I did have Defenders on my former 2016 Yukon Denali. They were fine, I'm just trying to take it up a notch.

 

[Danny3737]

Just keep in mind that the softer compound, the shorter the breaking distance. A few extra feet can make a big difference, especially with all the knuckleheads driving these days

 

[Joseph Garcia]

It appears that either choice of Michelin tire model will work well for these trucks. Some small differences exist, which may determine the final choice by each person to fit their environment and usage needs.


When it comes to buying new tires for your pickup, SUV, commercial van or larger crossover, the Michelin Defender LTX MS and Michelin Premier LTX are without question, among the top all-season choices available today. With that in mind, here’s a look at how these two tires stack up in a head-to-head comparison.

Dry Traction

The Defender LTX M/S uses a strong tread compound, symmetric tread pattern and 3-D sipes to deliver excellent traction on dry pavement. Braking and acceleration is also above average on this tire.

The Premier LTX is just as impressive on dry road surfaces. A silica and sunflower oil tread compound, symmetric tread pattern and continuous center rib give it impressive traction. We give the nod in this category to the Premier LTX, but the difference is minimal.

Note: Although these tires are not off-road tires by any means, the Defender LTX does take on grass, dirt, light mud and gravel very well.

Wet Traction

Both tires offer very good traction, braking and safety on wet pavement. The Defender LTX uses its sipes and four circumferential grooves to give you solid braking performance, while reducing the risk of hydroplaning.

EverGrip technology on the Premier LTX expands the rain grooves around the tire, while adding emerging grooves on the shoulders as the tire begins wearing down. This helps in keeping wet traction at a high level, even when worn. Advantage goes to the Premier LTX here.

Michelin Defender LTX MS Michelin Premier LTX

Winter Traction

Grip in winter weather conditions is one area where you’ll find a bit of separation between these two. While the Premier LTX will hold its own in light snow, traction in deeper snow (9 inches plus) and ice is not as good as on the Defender LTX M/S in our opinion. Although neither tire sports the mountain/snowflake emblem, the level of performance on snow and ice with the Defender LTX is far above average for an all-season tire.

Handling/Cornering

I think you can toss a coin here in this category. Both of these tires provide excellent handling and stability, even when pulling heavy trailers or hauling a heavy load. Braking and acceleration is predictable and among the better tires in this class. A slight edge can be given to the Premier LTX when it comes to steering response and feel. The solid center rib helps here.

Ride/Noise Comfort

Michelin is known for making quiet and comfortable riding tires, and both of these tires fit that mold as well. The Defender LTX features a smooth ride and low road noise on all types of pavement with the exception of rougher grooved pavement. No surprise there.

The Premier LTX has an equally smooth and quiet ride. Hitting a pothole does not give you a back ache as some tires will, and this is a tire that provides good comfort on longer highway trips. The edge goes to the Premier LTX, but again, the differences are not that great.

Michelin Defender LTX MS Michelin Premier LTX

Treadlife

Treadwear is arguably where you’ll find the biggest gap between these two tires. Michelin’s MaxTouch construction in the Defender LTX shows itself well. Long-term durability is noticeably higher than the Premier LTX. In our opinion, you may find an added 10-20K additional miles from the Defender LTX MS.

Warranty

The Premier LTX features a 60K mile tread warranty, while the Defender LTX M/S provides up to a 70K mile tread warranty depending on the speed rating of the tire. Both are among the better warranties in the truck/SUV all-season class.

Overall Winner

We feel that if treadlife is a major factor in your decision, the Defender LTX would be a good choice. In addition, it has very good winter performance and does well in light off-road conditions.

If ride comfort and wet traction are areas that you focus on, the Premier LTX may very well be your best bet. It also holds an advantage in having a lower rolling resistance, meaning it should give you a bit more fuel economy over the Defender.

As you can tell from our overall ratings, these two tires rank highly. The differences between them are minimal for the most part. Either tire makes for an excellent choice and will definitely enhance the comfort and performance on your truck, SUV or crossover.

 

[lalakc]

It appears that either choice of Michelin tire model will work well for these trucks. Some small differences exist, which may determine the final choice by each person to fit their environment and usage needs.


When it comes to buying new tires for your pickup, SUV, commercial van or larger crossover, the Michelin Defender LTX MS and Michelin Premier LTX are without question, among the top all-season choices available today. With that in mind, here’s a look at how these two tires stack up in a head-to-head comparison.

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Dry Traction

The Defender LTX M/S uses a strong tread compound, symmetric tread pattern and 3-D sipes to deliver excellent traction on dry pavement. Braking and acceleration is also above average on this tire.

The Premier LTX is just as impressive on dry road surfaces. A silica and sunflower oil tread compound, symmetric tread pattern and continuous center rib give it impressive traction. We give the nod in this category to the Premier LTX, but the difference is minimal.

Note: Although these tires are not off-road tires by any means, the Defender LTX does take on grass, dirt, light mud and gravel very well.

Wet Traction

Both tires offer very good traction, braking and safety on wet pavement. The Defender LTX uses its sipes and four circumferential grooves to give you solid braking performance, while reducing the risk of hydroplaning.

EverGrip technology on the Premier LTX expands the rain grooves around the tire, while adding emerging grooves on the shoulders as the tire begins wearing down. This helps in keeping wet traction at a high level, even when worn. Advantage goes to the Premier LTX here.

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Michelin Defender LTX MS Michelin Premier LTX

Winter Traction

Grip in winter weather conditions is one area where you’ll find a bit of separation between these two. While the Premier LTX will hold its own in light snow, traction in deeper snow (9 inches plus) and ice is not as good as on the Defender LTX M/S in our opinion. Although neither tire sports the mountain/snowflake emblem, the level of performance on snow and ice with the Defender LTX is far above average for an all-season tire.

Handling/Cornering

I think you can toss a coin here in this category. Both of these tires provide excellent handling and stability, even when pulling heavy trailers or hauling a heavy load. Braking and acceleration is predictable and among the better tires in this class. A slight edge can be given to the Premier LTX when it comes to steering response and feel. The solid center rib helps here.

Ride/Noise Comfort

Michelin is known for making quiet and comfortable riding tires, and both of these tires fit that mold as well. The Defender LTX features a smooth ride and low road noise on all types of pavement with the exception of rougher grooved pavement. No surprise there.

The Premier LTX has an equally smooth and quiet ride. Hitting a pothole does not give you a back ache as some tires will, and this is a tire that provides good comfort on longer highway trips. The edge goes to the Premier LTX, but again, the differences are not that great.

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Michelin Defender LTX MS Michelin Premier LTX

Treadlife

Treadwear is arguably where you’ll find the biggest gap between these two tires. Michelin’s MaxTouch construction in the Defender LTX shows itself well. Long-term durability is noticeably higher than the Premier LTX. In our opinion, you may find an added 10-20K additional miles from the Defender LTX MS.

Warranty

The Premier LTX features a 60K mile tread warranty, while the Defender LTX M/S provides up to a 70K mile tread warranty depending on the speed rating of the tire. Both are among the better warranties in the truck/SUV all-season class.

Overall Winner

We feel that if treadlife is a major factor in your decision, the Defender LTX would be a good choice. In addition, it has very good winter performance and does well in light off-road conditions.

If ride comfort and wet traction are areas that you focus on, the Premier LTX may very well be your best bet. It also holds an advantage in having a lower rolling resistance, meaning it should give you a bit more fuel economy over the Defender.

As you can tell from our overall ratings, these two tires rank highly. The differences between them are minimal for the most part. Either tire makes for an excellent choice and will definitely enhance the comfort and performance on your truck, SUV or crossover.

Any feedback on the LTX M/S2 now that LTX M/S are discontinued?

 

[ss4chad]

I'm running the Goodyear Eagle Touring 285/45/22.
They do the job, reasonably priced, 2 Thumbs Up!

Chad

 

[Joseph Garcia]

Any feedback on the LTX M/S2 now that LTX M/S are discontinued?

Tire Rack has a limited supply of LTX M/S, if anyone is interested.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?zip-code=03049&width=305/&ratio=50&diameter=20&rearWidth=255/&rearRatio=40&rearDiameter=17&performance=ALL