Hood/Paint Issue

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I was going to post a new thread, but then saw this. I bought my 2015 Yukon XL in 2015, from a salesman I had purchased my previous two Chevy trucks from. He's a good guy and always takes care of me. My Yukon is essentially, a "second car". I am retired, but work part time and the truck has 13,000 miles on it. I have had it washed about every month, and waxed (both by hand and machine about twice a year. The car sits for the most part in our driveway, under an awning. When you slide in, it still smells like a new car, seriously.
I last had it washed in August (around the middle) and the wife and I were out of town for the entire month of September. October was "wild-fire" season in Southern California and I didn't bother to get the truck washed as the ash and air would just settle on it again. Yesterday morning I just couldn't take it anymore and took it to my local car wash. I've been using these guys for 20+ years and they're typically great. As the horn went off, telling me the truck was done, I walked up to it and saw what looked like scratches and haze all over the middle of the hood and front of the roof line, above the windshield. I nearly crapped myself. I asked the guy what happened, he just stared at me and asked for the manager. The manager walked up and took a look at the car and said your clear coat is going bad. He told me it wasn't their fault and they did nothing wrong, blaming "Chevy" and their paint issues. He went on to say he's seen it happen over and over. Now, I'm no stranger to GM's paint issues, my first half-ton I bought in 92, (silver) developed problems with the clear coat in the first four months. After a rather heated debate with the service manager, they fixed it. My second truck, a 93 1 Ton Crew Cab, (white, this time) developed flaking paint around the top of the front doors and roof lines. I was able to fix it myself back and then and did so many custom things to that truck, the paint held up until the 13th year, when it began to flake off. 13 years for a paint job isn't too bad. Ultimately, I had the truck re-painted and sold it in 2015 after I bought my Yukon.
Once I calmed down and brought the truck back home, I climbed up and looked at the roof, seeing all of the same issues. This wasn't here in August (at least there were no signs of it). Seems odd it just "failed" within a two and half month window, but I suppose anything is possible.

I just received my 4th notice of recall for this truck, something to do with the possible failure of brake mechanical vacuum pump being decreased and will schedule another appointment with the dealer. When I call the dealer this morning, I also intend to tell them about the paint. I also purchased the "upgraded/extended" warranty when I bought the Yukon, in 2015. This extended warranty says it covers "everything", bumper to bumper (excluding of course damages due to neglect and excessive wear and tear) for 8 years or 180 k miles (or so). So, we'll see what they say.
After reading so many posts and discussions in forums around the web about failing paint, and/or clear coat issues, I am concerned about it. I know paint is a tricky thing, the "trick" is to get a quality, lasting paint job, while maintaining profits and complying with the environmental requirements. But so many issues, I'm sure one could make the "environmental" argument (truck is parked outside, isn't properly cared for, living near an airport and getting covered in jet fuel, etc. ) but if that were the case, it would be every car in my neighborhood, including the wife's 2014 Toyota LC, which sits outside as well and the paint is fine, aside from the scratches on the side when she sideswipes bushes on the side of the road, but that's another issue. The photos don't do it justice, and maybe I'm getting worked up prematurely and when I call the dealer will say "no problem, we'll fix it", but.... I may be a bit too cynical for that. Wish me luck- I'm hoping they'll either sand/repaint the clear coat, or remove it and polish. I still believe a good color sanding will fix it, but my paint expertise is 25+ years old. HoodClearcoat1.jpg HoodClearcoat2.jpg Roofscratches.jpg
 

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looks like my hood

im not sure wet sand / clear coat will solve it.
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looks like my hood

im not sure wet sand / clear coat will solve it.
shrug
I agree, I'm going back to my youth in that pretty much every paint flaw could be sanded out and "fixed".
Additional "shrug" and eye roll. :)
 

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I will add an update (in case anyone else is still reading this thread) and I don't want to "hijack" the thread, but..
I took the truck to the dealer (for, ya know, the FOURTH recall) and they fixed the recall and said "someone will call you back once they contact GM". The dealership does have a paint/body shop on premises.
This morning, I got a call from the tech, who said "GM said they won't help, so the guys estimate it'll be about 1600.00 to fix the paint". I expected that, based on my experiences and previous posts. I said, I think that's a bit too expensive to fix, what I believe to be a flawed clear coat. I know everyone says that, I appreciate a number of things, but frankly, a 4 year old paint job "shouldn't" be failing. I told them I'd speak to GM myself, and actually spoke to my salesman (who sent me a message based on my FB post) he told me to call and speak to GM Customer service, which I did this morning, the lady I spoke with (after about a 20 minute gauntlet of "Press 1 for...") spoke reasonably well, for an overseas call center (I'm sure) but she opened a case file and said they would be referring this case to a "California Customer Engagement Specialist", and to expect a call within one business day. I'm cynical, and expect to be told "Nah, it's on you and you're out of warranty", but who knows. Perhaps he (or she) will see that while I'm saying what everyone else says when their paint goes bad (I take good care of it... etc.) I actually do keep the truck well maintained, garaged and treated with TLC and they may "help" with the repairs and the re-paint. One can hope. I do love my Yukon, I've been a proud, diehard GM driver since I started driving in 1982, and my first car being my father's "hand-me-down" 1964 Impala SS, with a very rare 409/ 4 speed "package" he bought new in 1964. Since then, I've owned/driven nothing but GM's. I'll wait and see what happens, and will (if it comes down to it) bite the bullet and pay to have it repainted. My worry is that it will only get worse and if I don't get it fixed now, it will slowly peel up and look like many 10 year old (or newer) GM Trucks out there with peeling/blistering clear coat cancer. Let's hope for the best!
 

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I will add an update (in case anyone else is still reading this thread) and I don't want to "hijack" the thread, but..
I took the truck to the dealer (for, ya know, the FOURTH recall) and they fixed the recall and said "someone will call you back once they contact GM". The dealership does have a paint/body shop on premises.
This morning, I got a call from the tech, who said "GM said they won't help, so the guys estimate it'll be about 1600.00 to fix the paint". I expected that, based on my experiences and previous posts. I said, I think that's a bit too expensive to fix, what I believe to be a flawed clear coat. I know everyone says that, I appreciate a number of things, but frankly, a 4 year old paint job "shouldn't" be failing. I told them I'd speak to GM myself, and actually spoke to my salesman (who sent me a message based on my FB post) he told me to call and speak to GM Customer service, which I did this morning, the lady I spoke with (after about a 20 minute gauntlet of "Press 1 for...") spoke reasonably well, for an overseas call center (I'm sure) but she opened a case file and said they would be referring this case to a "California Customer Engagement Specialist", and to expect a call within one business day. I'm cynical, and expect to be told "Nah, it's on you and you're out of warranty", but who knows. Perhaps he (or she) will see that while I'm saying what everyone else says when their paint goes bad (I take good care of it... etc.) I actually do keep the truck well maintained, garaged and treated with TLC and they may "help" with the repairs and the re-paint. One can hope. I do love my Yukon, I've been a proud, diehard GM driver since I started driving in 1982, and my first car being my father's "hand-me-down" 1964 Impala SS, with a very rare 409/ 4 speed "package" he bought new in 1964. Since then, I've owned/driven nothing but GM's. I'll wait and see what happens, and will (if it comes down to it) bite the bullet and pay to have it repainted. My worry is that it will only get worse and if I don't get it fixed now, it will slowly peel up and look like many 10 year old (or newer) GM Trucks out there with peeling/blistering clear coat cancer. Let's hope for the best!



I have a 2016 Iridium Metallic that has the same issue that was brought to my attention two weeks ago by a detailer as he was about to start on it. I hadn't noticed it before hand which surprised me but the detailer said he has seen it a lot on the GM vehicles and was surprised the issue wasn't resolved with the NBS. I have been out of town and haven't had been able to get to a dealer to see what they say.

I am also in So Cal (OC) and have the extended warranty. Keep us posted on what they tell you.
 

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she opened a case file and said they would be referring this case to a "California Customer Engagement Specialist"

Oh boy. Climate change ruined your paint. Should have said you lived in Texas.

I'm just teasing, of course, and I hope to see this work out "favorably" somehow. It drives me nuts when a company I've been fiercely loyal to can't hold up their end. 4 YEARS on a paint job?! I'd be pissed.
 

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I will add an update (in case anyone else is still reading this thread) and I don't want to "hijack" the thread, but..
I took the truck to the dealer (for, ya know, the FOURTH recall) and they fixed the recall and said "someone will call you back once they contact GM". The dealership does have a paint/body shop on premises.
This morning, I got a call from the tech, who said "GM said they won't help, so the guys estimate it'll be about 1600.00 to fix the paint". I expected that, based on my experiences and previous posts. I said, I think that's a bit too expensive to fix, what I believe to be a flawed clear coat. I know everyone says that, I appreciate a number of things, but frankly, a 4 year old paint job "shouldn't" be failing. I told them I'd speak to GM myself, and actually spoke to my salesman (who sent me a message based on my FB post) he told me to call and speak to GM Customer service, which I did this morning, the lady I spoke with (after about a 20 minute gauntlet of "Press 1 for...") spoke reasonably well, for an overseas call center (I'm sure) but she opened a case file and said they would be referring this case to a "California Customer Engagement Specialist", and to expect a call within one business day. I'm cynical, and expect to be told "Nah, it's on you and you're out of warranty", but who knows. Perhaps he (or she) will see that while I'm saying what everyone else says when their paint goes bad (I take good care of it... etc.) I actually do keep the truck well maintained, garaged and treated with TLC and they may "help" with the repairs and the re-paint. One can hope. I do love my Yukon, I've been a proud, diehard GM driver since I started driving in 1982, and my first car being my father's "hand-me-down" 1964 Impala SS, with a very rare 409/ 4 speed "package" he bought new in 1964. Since then, I've owned/driven nothing but GM's. I'll wait and see what happens, and will (if it comes down to it) bite the bullet and pay to have it repainted. My worry is that it will only get worse and if I don't get it fixed now, it will slowly peel up and look like many 10 year old (or newer) GM Trucks out there with peeling/blistering clear coat cancer. Let's hope for the best!

You are correct that it's better to get it fixed now before it gets worse. I was looking at a black 2007 Yukon short wheel base about a year ago that had the paint peeling on the roof and hood and my body shop said it would cost about $2000 and they wouldn't be willing to give me a guarantee on it because of how bad it was.
 

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I have a 2016 Iridium Metallic that has the same issue that was brought to my attention two weeks ago by a detailer as he was about to start on it. I hadn't noticed it before hand which surprised me but the detailer said he has seen it a lot on the GM vehicles and was surprised the issue wasn't resolved with the NBS. I have been out of town and haven't had been able to get to a dealer to see what they say.

I am also in So Cal (OC) and have the extended warranty. Keep us posted on what they tell you.
Ok- I got a call from the "California Customer Engagement blah blah", who asked me a bunch of questions (more about what the dealer told me than what my truck has experienced) and said "well, each dealer sets their own pricing". She asked what the issue was with the 1600 dollar quote, which I replied; 1600 to repair a problematic clear coat was the problem. I got the feeling she was gearing up for the brush off (her script skills were akin to a 7 year old reading aloud a part in the school play). I told her I would be out of town for the next week and would be taking the truck to the dealer I purchased it from, (Hardin GMC) and would have them take a look at it. Global warming, jet fuel, the cruel So Cal sunlight, fire/smoke fallout, acid rain, poison air aside, the clear coat is giving up the ghost. My extended warrant "only" covers mechanical issues, though I asked when I bought it "so it covers everything?" and was told yes, but I should have been specific to the paint. I'll post another update when I've taken it back to the dealer I bought it from. I'm still rooting for some good news, but as they say; the saga continues.
 

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I have the issue - worst on the top and hood but now showing up all over. Anyone here actually use plastidip - it seems like a reasonable solution? Another approach - There are a couple of good videos on the issue of the clear coat failure - the guy sands and re-sprays 2K clear coat out of a rattle can. The results were impressive.
 

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Another update (for anyone still following). I haven't made it back to my sales dealer yet (work and holidays stuff), but I DID hear back from GM Customer Service. They were basically like "There's no assistance or discount programs available", essentially they're not interested in helping. I wasn't too surprised by that, once a manufacturer starts "helping" people with faulty paint, they're pretty much admitting the problem. I did mention to the person from GM, that it was unacceptable, was borderline fraudulent (heavy on the hyperbole, I know) and that I would be seeking the advice of legal counsel to recover my losses. That much is true and once I finally get out to the sales dealer in the next week or two and hear from them, I'll know a bit more. Ironically, the quote I was given from the local dealer, (1600), went up when the spoke to GM, telling me they quoted 1780, which I thought was odd. It's way more than sales tax and perhaps they tacked on a little extra thinking GM might cover it? I don't know. Anyway, I'll post another update once I get out to the sales dealer (who is going to tell me the same thing after talking with GM, I'm pretty sure) but one never knows. I'm going to get it fixed, I can't drive this thing around looking like this.
My neighbor bought a 2015 Tahoe, about 2 months after I bought my Yukon. It sits outside in the driveway, just like mine and I walked over to his house a couple of days ago and looked at his hood and noticed the slightest "fogging" in the center of the hood. I'll tell him about it next time I see him and perhaps walk the neighborhood and talk to all the Irridium Metallic painted trucks in the area to see how many are failing.
 

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