Future 2020/21 Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban

[GTNator]

Careful guys. This forum is only for fawning blindly over GM products. Any objective discussion is likely to give some people panic attacks.

Oh and I heard the next gen Tahoe will have reworked rear suspension allowing for a usable 3rd row.


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Objective discussion and facts are why I’m here. Sometimes GM is king and sometimes they are way behind. I like learning about both.

I work way too hard for my money to just blindly throw it to one company for the rest of my life. I like GM but if someone else makes a better vehicle or better features than GM, I want to know!


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[Rdr854]

Objective discussion and facts are why I’m here. Sometimes GM is king and sometimes they are way behind. I like learning about both.

I work way too hard for my money to just blindly throw it to one company for the rest of my life. I like GM but if someone else makes a better vehicle or better features than GM, I want to know!


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I agree. I’ve owned Ford cars and trucks and GM cars and trucks. Purchase decisions are based upon where I believe I can get the best bang for the buck.

Unfortunately, there is no silver bullet and each vehicle has its pluses and minuses.

 

[swathdiver]

Why is that Socialist? It's purely economical. Never mind Volvo, Tesla is making strides in the US. I've done the math, and a Tesla car would cost at least 50% less than a comparable sized sedan (I used an MPG equivalent cost). That's a huge difference and I don't think government will have to ban anything. It's just inevitable that technology will change the way we drive.

Oil is the most economical source of energy available. Gasoline and diesel fuel are far and above the most efficient fuels for automobiles and trucks. Tax payer subsidized cars only affordable by the very wealthy will only last as long as they're subsidized. Inventors have been trying for over a hundred years to conquer the electric car's problems and they're just not going to do it when less expensive and more useful alternatives exist. Banning gas and diesel for a more expensive plant is not freedom, its government forcing people into a product they do not want. Remember the Trabant?

If Washington got their noses completely out of the auto regulating business then you'd see and experience innovations and variety not seen in nearly one hundred years.

 

[15YUKON]

If it doesn’t have 8 pistons i don’t want to drive it. I don’t think oil is going anywhere but new sources will emerge.

 

[cardude2000]

Oil is the most economical source of energy available. Gasoline and diesel fuel are far and above the most efficient fuels for automobiles and trucks. Tax payer subsidized cars only affordable by the very wealthy will only last as long as they're subsidized. Inventors have been trying for over a hundred years to conquer the electric car's problems and they're just not going to do it when less expensive and more useful alternatives exist. Banning gas and diesel for a more expensive plant is not freedom, its government forcing people into a product they do not want. Remember the Trabant?

If Washington got their noses completely out of the auto regulating business then you'd see and experience innovations and variety not seen in nearly one hundred years.

The auto market has globalized. Any country that builds cars in any meaningful way has already agreed that clean air is a basic human right (and regulates vehicle emissions and safety standards).

No matter how backwoods ass and regressive our lawmakers become it wont materially matter at this point.

The ship has sailed.

And if someone doesn’t think that seeing a production car do 0-60 in <2 seconds, that drives itself and has a 250 mile range isn’t innovative (from a 5 year old car company) but a less restrictive diesel (from a 100 year old car company) would be the pinnacle of automotive achievement then I don’t know what to tell yah.

 

[15YUKON]

The auto market has globalized. Any country that builds cars in any meaningful way has already agreed that clean air is a basic human right (and regulates vehicle emissions and safety standards).

No matter how backwoods ass and regressive our lawmakers become it wont materially matter at this point.

The ship has sailed.

And if someone doesn’t think that seeing a production car do 0-60 in <2 seconds, that drives itself and has a 250 mile range isn’t innovative (from a 5 year old car company) but a less restrictive diesel (from a 100 year old car company) would be the pinnacle of automotive achievement then I don’t know what to tell yah.

250 mile range is pathetic you get 450 miles with a 6.2. I do not deny that electric is a good avenue but it’s got a ways to go yet. You also are kidding yourself if you think oil is going anywhere soon. The infrastructure is set and there is demand. Consumers don’t buy electric cars we like afforadable vehicles, as you say the consumer drives the market. And nobody i know wishes to drive an electric vehicle.

 

[cardude2000]

250 mile range is pathetic you get 450 miles with a 6.2. I do not deny that electric is a good avenue but it’s got a ways to go yet. You also are kidding yourself if you think oil is going anywhere soon. The infrastructure is set and there is demand. Consumers don’t buy electric cars we like afforadable vehicles, as you say the consumer drives the market. And nobody i know wishes to drive an electric vehicle.

Pathetic for a supercar? Pretty much on par with the others in its class. And when did I say oil was going anywhere?

Consumers don’t buy electric cars we like afforadable vehicles, as you say the consumer drives the market. And nobody i know wishes to drive an electric vehicle.

Your confirmation bias isn't the reality of the global auto industry today. In some countries over 30% of cars sold are equipped with hybrid/EV technologies. Hybrid/EV sales are (and have been) experiencing double digit growth annually.

Its bizarre to hear people rant and rave about lack of innovation (not you necessarily) and then bemoan innovations like hybrid technologies, autonomous advancements et al. This is an era of incredible automotive innovation and competition.

And yes, the technology, like any fledgling technology, still has a long way to go. But I have no doubt that in 20 years virtually all vehicles will have some sort of hybrid engine technology baked into it and nobody will bat an eye.

 

[Textilet]

Pathetic for a supercar? Pretty much on par with the others in its class. And when did I say oil was going anywhere?



Your confirmation bias isn't the reality of the global auto industry today. In some countries over 30% of cars sold are equipped with hybrid/EV technologies. Hybrid/EV sales are (and have been) experiencing double digit growth annually.

Its bizarre to hear people rant and rave about lack of innovation (not you necessarily) and then bemoan innovations like hybrid technologies, autonomous advancements et al. This is an era of incredible automotive innovation and competition.

And yes, the technology, like any fledgling technology, still has a long way to go. But I have no doubt that in 20 years virtually all vehicles will have some sort of hybrid engine technology baked into it and nobody will bat an eye.

Tesla roadster has a quoted range of 620 miles. 250 + is the top speed.

 

[cardude2000]

Tesla roadster has a quoted range of 620 miles. 250 + is the top speed.

You're right. I believe the last generation roadster had a 200-300 mile range.

So in 1 generation they doubled the range.

Stifled innovation they say. SMH.

 

[GTNator]

You're right. I believe the last generation roadster had a 200-300 mile range.

So in 1 generation they doubled the range.

Stifled innovation they say. SMH.

That's kind of the beauty of electric cars right now. They are on the steep curve of innovation at the moment. Similar to where smart phones were about 10 years ago. Their range is doubling every 3-5 years. It won't be long (who knows, 5-10-15 years?) before we see a 1,000 mile range EV. At that point, I think the tide will really have turned, if not sooner.

1,000 mile range from home charging, totally beats being forced to go to public gas stations every 250-500 miles.