Expedition vs Yukon

[WalleyeMikeIII]

You got a 21 or a 22? Do you have the Advanced Technology Package?

My 22 Denali w/ the Advanced Technology Package turns on the front cam when you get close to something...will shoot a video of it if I get a chance, it happens every time I pull in the garage.

 

[Stbentoak]

I just tested this out to verify and my front cam for sure DOES NOT come on when the sensor thing on the dash gets into the red. I got out and front bumper was a few inches off a building column

Something wrong then, mine flips to the camera up on the first beep entering the garage at say under 5 miles an hour.

 

[suterusu]

There's a thread elsewhere on the forum where you can add the camera hard button to the '21's.

 

[R32driver]

You got a 21 or a 22? Do you have the Advanced Technology Package?

My 22 Denali w/ the Advanced Technology Package turns on the front cam when you get close to something...will shoot a video of it if I get a chance, it happens every time I pull in the garage.

It's a '21 SLT and does not have advanced tech package but it does have the slt premium package with hd surround vision so I think that means I have most the camera wizardry that's available. I doubt this is related but ever since I washed it the other day the front cam has been coming on all the time when I enter my garage now. Although admittedly I never look at it as I line up the sunroof with the dangly thing from my garage door opener to tell me when to stop

 

[Banks22]

2022 Q1 figures are ideal for GM against its competitors because, realistically, there were no competitors in Q1.

The 2022 Ford Expedition basically wasn't delivered for Q1 because that's when they had a gap going from the 2021 model year to the 2022 model year production.

The Jeep Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer are completely new so it'll be interesting to see sales over the next few quarters.

The Toyota Sequioa doesn't start deliveries until August 2022 for the 2023 model year.

It's hard to guess what the production output will be, but by 2022 Q4, I wouldn't be surprised if Ford starts delivering an extra 15,000 Expeditions, Jeep an extra 10,000 of the Wagoneers and Grand Wagoneers combined, and Toyota delivers 5,000 - 10,000 Sequoias. If GM's competitors start delivering an extra 20,000 or more units combined per quarter, we should start to see some dealer stock inventory start to show up on dealer lots. This would be especially true if GM also increases production and the economy starts to struggle and demand decreases.

I agree with a lot of this but I think the wagoneer will be limited to a select few. Super nice interior, but damn that side profile is f*ckin goofy lol. The new Tahoe/ Yukon’s are just major head turners, everybody wants one

 

[R32driver]

I agree with a lot of this but I think the wagoneer will be limited to a select few. Super nice interior, but damn that side profile is f*ckin goofy lol. The new Tahoe/ Yukon’s are just major head turners, everybody wants one

Those wagoneers get uglier the more you see them. Usually it's the opposite with a new model looking funky at first sight then it grows on you but those jeeps just do not look good once you look past the front end

 

[Polo08816]

Those wagoneers get uglier the more you see them. Usually it's the opposite with a new model looking funky at first sight then it grows on you but those jeeps just do not look good once you look past the front end

I saw a few of them on the road in the NoVA area and the front end us fine but the rear of them sort of look goofy.

But at the end of the day, pricing drives sales and if Jeep starts discounting them enough, it'll still eat into competitor sales once production levels are sufficient.

 

[todayusay]

I saw a few of them on the road in the NoVA area and the front end us fine but the rear of them sort of look goofy.

But at the end of the day, pricing drives sales and if Jeep starts discounting them enough, it'll still eat into competitor sales once production levels are sufficient.

There are dealers already discounting ordered Wagoneers...whereas Tahoes/Yukons seem to still be commanding sticker at a minimum

 

[sanman28]

Those wagoneers get uglier the more you see them. Usually it's the opposite with a new model looking funky at first sight then it grows on you but those jeeps just do not look good once you look past the front end

Bingo

 

[Polo08816]

There are dealers already discounting ordered Wagoneers...whereas Tahoes/Yukons seem to still be commanding sticker at a minimum

Correct. You can order them for 6% under invoice at Koons Vienna (VA).

 

[Baja_Bob]

I saw a Grand Wagoneer on a lot for $111,000. For that money I'd rather have an Escalade with the diesel, the 6.4L in the Jeep gets terrible gas mileage.

 

[firsttimetahoe]

I saw a Grand Wagoneer on a lot for $111,000. For that money I'd rather have an Escalade with the diesel, the 6.4L in the Jeep gets terrible gas mileage.

Escalades are going for $25k over MSRP by me....and thats if you can find one

 

[Polo08816]

Escalades are going for $25k over MSRP by me....and thats if you can find one

At that price, it seems like it's worth traveling to find one at MSRP unless someone makes over $10mil/year and $25,000 per day.

 

[firsttimetahoe]

At that price, it seems like it's worth traveling to find one at MSRP unless someone makes over $10mil/year and $25,000 per day.

I hate car dealers/salesmen for the most part, because part of their job is to get you in the door no matter what it takes. Once you’re there they won half of their battle.

Couldn’t imagine going out of state to a dealer looking for ABC and they don’t have it but offer me XYZ. Or the price they quoted over the phone no longer applies. And now they know you traveled far to get there….so the odds you walk out the door are less in their brain

 

[Polo08816]

I hate car dealers/salesmen for the most part, because part of their job is to get you in the door no matter what it takes. Once you’re there they won half of their battle.

Couldn’t imagine going out of state to a dealer looking for ABC and they don’t have it but offer me XYZ. Or the price they quoted over the phone no longer applies. And now they know you traveled far to get there….so the odds you walk out the door are less in their brain

I agree. But that's why I would only consider ordering out of state (by out of state, I mean it requires a plane ride) from a reputable forum dealer.

 

[firsttimetahoe]

I agree. But that's why I would only consider ordering out of state (by out of state, I mean it requires a plane ride) from a reputable forum dealer.

Yeah I have no desire or the time to do that lol

 

[todayusay]

Guess everybody has a value on their time…

there are multiple brands right now where the majority of dealers are charging sticker or more…yet there are also dealers selling for $6,7,8 10k less than sticker…yes you’d have to seek them out and most will require some coordination/additional leg work on the buyers end. Then again if a buyer isn’t aware that there are better deals to be had….then they are probably as happy as can be in their bubble

have several local Ram dealers selling at sticker and can’t keep trucks on their lot…

ordered from a “forum“ dealer and bought a truck almost $12k under MSRP. Required a 6hr round trip and about 10 emails on my part

 

[firsttimetahoe]

Guess everybody has a value on their time…

there are multiple brands right now where the majority of dealers are charging sticker or more…yet there are also dealers selling for $6,7,8 10k less than sticker…yes you’d have to seek them out and most will require some coordination/additional leg work on the buyers end. Then again if a buyer isn’t aware that there are better deals to be had….then they are probably as happy as can be in their bubble

have several local Ram dealers selling at sticker and can’t keep trucks on their lot…

ordered from a “forum“ dealer and bought a truck almost $12k under MSRP. Required a 6hr round trip and about 10 emails on my part

I mean....if i can get $12k under MSRP for the car that I really want right now.....100% sign me up it doesn't matter where I have to go.

But I haven't read about a single person on here buy a Tahoe or Yukon under MSRP. I've seen a handful of people say they've bought a used one over MSRP.

Is waiting 1-2 years worth saving $1,2,3 or 4k under MSRP? Not to me. Do i think I can get one under $5k or more MSRP next year.... I don't think so. The fact there are people paying almost $10k over MSRP for these specific cars USED means dealers are not going to budge like they have in the past. When times are tough for people, they're generally not tough for people who can afford a $60, $70 or $80k car.

I'll eat my words if these cars go for under $10k MSRP next year, but I don't see it happening. Recession, rising gas prices etc....I don't see it changing.

 

[Stbentoak]

If you think Tahoe's are bad, they are selling Kia Tellurides for +15K and that's on a 45K vehicle !

 

[firsttimetahoe]

If you think Tahoe's are bad, they are selling Kia Tellurides for +15K and that's on a 45K vehicle !

My buddy has ben in the market for a lease...he's not going full size SUV but mid sized. He has told me every price he's gotten from VW, Dodge, Acura, Volvo, you name it.....most dealers are easily going over $10k MSRP.....$45k-$50k MSRP cars hes being quoted almost $800-900 a month for 7500 miles...and that's with $3-5k down (what his trade-in is roughly worth)

I don't know where these hidden gems are located....but certainly not where I live