Expedition vs Yukon

[tights24]

The market is still crazy hot for used vehicles. Just traded in my wife's Lincoln MKC because they offered us 23K for it. It was a 2018 with 60K miles on it and was the lowest trim level at premier. It's nuts. As for the tahoes/yukons, I would never order one from the factory, but that's just me and I have no issues with how people spend their own money. Just don't see the benefit honestly of owning brand new and spending 80K at a minimum when I can get a low mileage equivalent for thousands less. I've heard stories of people paying north of 95K for a new yukon. To me that's just nuts.

 

[todayusay]

If you think paying $95k for a new Yukon is crazy - I can only imagine what you'd think about paying $90-95k for a USED Yukon....

Used 2021/2022 Tahoes and Yukons are bringing more than the original MSRP - to the extent half of the higher end used car dealers (or other new car dealers) in our area are buying up new Tahoes/Yukons at sticker or a couple grand over and then flipping them for $5-10k over.

The dealer we ordered our Z71 Tahoe from (at sticker) said he had a standing offer from a broker (not even a dealer) for $8k over any Z71 Tahoe...this was back in Feb

 

[Polo08816]

I mean....if i can get $12k under MSRP for the car that I really want right now.....100% sign me up it doesn't matter where I have to go.

But I haven't read about a single person on here buy a Tahoe or Yukon under MSRP. I've seen a handful of people say they've bought a used one over MSRP.

Is waiting 1-2 years worth saving $1,2,3 or 4k under MSRP? Not to me. Do i think I can get one under $5k or more MSRP next year.... I don't think so. The fact there are people paying almost $10k over MSRP for these specific cars USED means dealers are not going to budge like they have in the past. When times are tough for people, they're generally not tough for people who can afford a $60, $70 or $80k car.

I'll eat my words if these cars go for under $10k MSRP next year, but I don't see it happening. Recession, rising gas prices etc....I don't see it changing.

Personally, I think waiting 1-2 years to save 3-7k under MSRP and have a car that has a mid cycle enhancement tends to be worth while.

I think we'll start seeing retail inventory on dealer lots in the second half of 2023. I think we'll start seeing substantial discounts in 2024. I think the Fed would have broken the system and be in a position where they might have to back pedal by then.

 

[Baja_Bob]

I've been interested in the AT4 pick up and saw a nice one on the used side of the dealer lot, I could have gotten a new one for the price on the window. Looks like I'll wait a while.

 

[Stbentoak]

I think we'll start seeing retail inventory on dealer lots in the second half of 2023. I think we'll start seeing substantial discounts in 2024. I think the Fed would have broken the system and be in a position where they might have to back pedal by then.

Well, this was said a year ago too, and we are no better off one year later. If you need a vehicle in the next 6 month this is little consolation, if it even comes true. We haven't even begun to get to the end of this chip situation yet, and as the war progresses and degrades, the supply chain for chips will get even tighter. (80% of chip raw material comes from Russia and Ukraine.)
The Ukraine situation will greatly reduce the global markets and dependency on foreign products. We are 1 conflict away with China over Taiwan, from REAL supply chain issues and shortages. Quietly, American managers are looking to resource parts that are in critical/conflict areas of the world. That won't be easy, but necessary and will come at a price...

Vehicles like Tahoe's and Yukon's, especially loaded ones that aren't missing chips, will be in demand long into the future... Like housing, everybody wants one and there aren't enough around...

 

[GoHeels]

But I haven't read about a single person on here buy a Tahoe or Yukon under MSRP. I've seen a handful of people say they've bought a used one over MSRP.

There are a couple people that have been fortunate enough to pay under MSRP and I'm one of them. Granted I used a supplier pricing code and spoke with several dealerships before I found one that was willing to accept. It saved approx 5% off MSRP.

I also recall someone posting about a dealership in Idaho that was selling just above invoice and no supplier/employee code required. Can't recall the name & too lazy to look it up.

Point being that discounts are available but you are going to have to search for them.

 

[firsttimetahoe]

Personally, I think waiting 1-2 years to save 3-7k under MSRP and have a car that has a mid cycle enhancement tends to be worth while.

I need a second car yesterday, so i can't wait.

My alternative of like a 2 year lease to wait it out would cost me over $10k easily...so it's really not worth it.

Plus, for the next 2 years I'm going to be upset that I am not driving a Tahoe lol

 

[firsttimetahoe]

There are a couple people that have been fortunate enough to pay under MSRP and I'm one of them. Granted I used a supplier pricing code and spoke with several dealerships before I found one that was willing to accept. It saved approx 5% off MSRP.

I also recall someone posting about a dealership in Idaho that was selling just above invoice and no supplier/employee code required. Can't recall the name & too lazy to look it up.

Point being that discounts are available but you are going to have to search for them.

Someone brought up a funny point on here about how this community forum is nowhere like the outside world. They mentioned seeing another Tahoe car owner at a car wash and when he mentioned lifter issues the guy looked at him like he was speaking gibberish. Most people have no idea what that even means because most people don’t have issues with their cars, it’s the small community on here who come here to complain about them

I think that also applies to purchasing. 90%+ of the people buying these cars are not leaving their local dealer market. Maybe 5% will go out of state to a neighboring state. Less than 1% are traveling several hours and hopping on flights to get a good deal.

I’m in New York…it’s just not feasible to track down dealerships in Idaho to purchase a car. Sure I’d love to save $5k off MSRP….but having to plan a trip to Idaho to buy a car when I have a full time job and kids seems crazy.

 

[todayusay]

Remember seeing in a post a month or so ago that the Idaho dealer was already at least a year out ...not sure if that was expected delivery or ordering...

thats the issue with GM's ordering process vs other brands...some of the other manufacturers allow for a sold order to not be affected by the allocation process whereas GMs process does...

The $5k off MSRP wouldn't be as beneficial if there are local dealers selling at sticker...the math becomes a little more complicated if all the area dealers are all $10k over...

On the Ram HD forums there are a lot of west coast buyers where their dealers are $5k-10K over...buying from a dealer in LA for 11-12% off MSRP...and then paying $1500-2k in shipping and still saving over $10k from what they could buy one locally...

others buyers that may be within an afternoon's drive...ordering from a local dealer at sticker, putting down at $1k nonrefundable deposit, going online to research their order and finding out that there are dealers not only discounting the exact same truck, but pricing them below employee price....so they forfeit the deposit and still save $7-8k+...

If the Idaho dealer was $10k under what I could buy one locally, and the wait wasn't going to be 12-18 months, I'd buy one in a heartbeat and have it shipped...which neither of those conditions are true....but there are also those that wouldn't even consider going through such a process no matter the savings...to each their own

 

[firsttimetahoe]

Remember seeing in a post a month or so ago that the Idaho dealer was already at least a year out ...not sure if that was expected delivery or ordering...

thats the issue with GM's ordering process vs other brands...some of the other manufacturers allow for a sold order to not be affected by the allocation process whereas GMs process does...

The $5k off MSRP wouldn't be as beneficial if there are local dealers selling at sticker...the math becomes a little more complicated if all the area dealers are all $10k over...

On the Ram HD forums there are a lot of west coast buyers where their dealers are $5k-10K over...buying from a dealer in LA for 11-12% off MSRP...and then paying $1500-2k in shipping and still saving over $10k from what they could buy one locally...

others buyers that may be within an afternoon's drive...ordering from a local dealer at sticker, putting down at $1k nonrefundable deposit, going online to research their order and finding out that there are dealers not only discounting the exact same truck, but pricing them below employee price....so they forfeit the deposit and still save $7-8k+...

If the Idaho dealer was $10k under what I could buy one locally, and the wait wasn't going to be 12-18 months, I'd buy one in a heartbeat and have it shipped...which neither of those conditions are true....but there are also those that wouldn't even consider going through such a process no matter the savings...to each their own

I just saw the Idaho posting. Their price slight above invoice price calculated out to approx. $4k under MSRP

Not sure what it costs to ship a car cross country, but I can’t imagine it’s cheap for me in NY. Plus, god forbid there are any issues with the vehicle during transit how am I going to work with a dealer in Idaho???

Seems like way to much work and if you have issues it seems like it’ll be full of headaches for most people. If I can spend $70k on a car, do I really need to make my life complicated to save a few thousand bucks?

 

[Polo08816]

I just saw the Idaho posting. Their price slight above invoice price calculated out to approx. $4k under MSRP

Not sure what it costs to ship a car cross country, but I can’t imagine it’s cheap for me in NY. Plus, god forbid there are any issues with the vehicle during transit how am I going to work with a dealer in Idaho???

Seems like way to much work and if you have issues it seems like it’ll be full of headaches for most people. If I can spend $70k on a car, do I really need to make my life complicated to save a few thousand bucks?

... but you've already made your life complicated by living in NY.

 

[StephenPT]

I’m one of the people with an order in at the Idaho dealer…

Pricing worked out to ~$3K under MSRP on a Yukon XL SLE Duramax. It works for me because it’s a bit over a 5 hour drive, we’re not in a crazy hurry and of all the dealers I talked with they seemed the most competent, honest and friendly.

We’ll see how it works out for us…

 

[firsttimetahoe]

... but you've already made your life complicated by living in NY.

Lol. Born and raised.

And what I do for a living, relocating would require me to go to cities that are also expensive

 

[firsttimetahoe]

I’m one of the people with an order in at the Idaho dealer…

Pricing worked out to ~$3K under MSRP on a Yukon XL SLE Duramax. It works for me because it’s a bit over a 5 hour drive, we’re not in a crazy hurry and of all the dealers I talked with they seemed the most competent, honest and friendly.

We’ll see how it works out for us…

Good luck! 5 hours ain’t that terrible. Fee bad for the person who doesn’t get to drive the Yukon back though!!!

And hopefully you can get the retrofit features at any local dealer. Having to go back and forth would suck

 

[Polo08816]

Lol. Born and raised.

And what I do for a living, relocating would require me to go to cities that are also expensive

I know. My guess is with Houston, Chicago, etc. being potential options but smaller markets. I grew up in the NY/NJ area.

Fortunately, my employer has started the push to relocate our major offices outside of downtown areas to the outer limits of the counties that the cities are located in and it's usually a 15-45 minute drive to the downtown areas. A lot of my coworkers end up living 1-1.5 hours outside of the downtown areas.

 

[StephenPT]

Good luck! 5 hours ain’t that terrible. Fee bad for the person who doesn’t get to drive the Yukon back though!!!

And hopefully you can get the retrofit features at any local dealer. Having to go back and forth would suck

We have family and friends in northern Idaho, so we'll likely turn it into a vacation. Drive out there in our Honda Pilot and either caravan back and sell the Pilot when we get home or possibly sell it while we're there. Another great part of the Idaho dealer is they never once asked about my trade-in. Other dealers ask me that within the first 30 seconds of talking with them. I had one that was like "Well, it sounds like you have a good trade - I think we could do MSRP on a new Suburban for you - I'd still need to check with my manager." Ummm no - I'm not working a deal with you based on my trade-in. I haven't bought a lot of cars in my life, but I know how dealers try to make the trade and new car a package deal and screw you on one end or the other.

 

[Polo08816]

2023 Jeep Wagoneer L and Grand Wagoneer L Are Stretched and Turbocharged

The new "L" version of Jeep's three-row SUVs has a longer wheelbase, more cargo space, and standard Hurricane engines.

www.caranddriver.com

It'll be available on the regular 2022 Wagoneer this spring and join the 2023 Wagoneer L lineup when it goes on sale in the second half of this year. The 2023 Grand Wagoneer will also hit showrooms at that time, but Jeep hasn't yet announced pricing for either of the new long-wheelbase models.

Looks like the Yukon XL and Suburban will have another competitor in the market space sooner than expected. The Wagoneer L and Grand Wagoneer L will hit the market right around the time the Sequoia does.

 

[Baja_Bob]

We have family and friends in northern Idaho, so we'll likely turn it into a vacation. Drive out there in our Honda Pilot and either caravan back and sell the Pilot when we get home or possibly sell it while we're there. Another great part of the Idaho dealer is they never once asked about my trade-in. Other dealers ask me that within the first 30 seconds of talking with them. I had one that was like "Well, it sounds like you have a good trade - I think we could do MSRP on a new Suburban for you - I'd still need to check with my manager." Ummm no - I'm not working a deal with you based on my trade-in. I haven't bought a lot of cars in my life, but I know how dealers try to make the trade and new car a package deal and screw you on one end or the other.

Last summer I talked to a dealer about trading in a '19 Yukon XL to buy a '21 XL and after the salesman had a discussion with his manager they told me it would be hard to sell at current times, and I was offered $1000 more than what I owed. I sold it privately in 2 days to a dealer who came up from Ohio and made $7500.

 

[Baja_Bob]

Looks like the Yukon XL and Suburban will have another competitor in the market space sooner than expected. The Wagoneer L and Grand Wagoneer L will hit the market right around the time the Sequoia does.

I've seen one of these in camo driving around my area lately.

 

[Polo08816]

I've seen one of these in camo driving around my area lately.

They are going to hit showroom floors way earlier than I had expected. I thought it was going to be 2024 but it seems like it's going to be the second half of this year.

The introduction of the Sequoia and long wheel base Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneers will add to the supply in this segment.

Not only do the elongated Wagoneers have more space in the back for storing stuff, but they also come standard with Stellantis' new twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six. Dubbed the Hurricane, the 2023 Jeep Wagoneer L and Grand Wagoneer L mark the debut of this engine, and it's included as part of the standard powertrain. The Hurricane engine pairs exclusively with an eight-speed automatic transmission and rear-, all-, or four-wheel drive, but output varies between the Wagoneer L and Grand Wagoneer L. The former model has the standard-output (S.O.) version that makes 420 horsepower and 468 pound-feet of torque, while the latter has the high-output (H.O.) version with 510 horses and 500 pound-feet of torque. As with the standard wheelbase, the stretched model can tow up to 10,000 pounds.

Also, the extended length Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneers will have 4 additional gallons of capacity for fuel. The current versions have 26.5 gallons so 30.5 gallons will be class leading.