BREAKING: GM is officially recalling the L87

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There is absolutely no reason to believe that engines with correctly manufactured parts and proper maintenance won't make it to 200K miles. None. There is no evidence of a 100% part defect rate....

i don't know.. i just got done purchasing an SLT truck.. i went through iseecars to see what was for sale.. with high miles.. at 25k you get 30% 6.2s... at 100k you get 10% 6.2s for sale. At 150k i got 22 5.3s and no 6.2s.

I did a duramax. And i looked around at many years... going back to 2014. i do not the the 6.2s last much more than 125k or so. On the other hand there were a lot duramax for sale at 100k. They only have a few years to get there too.

You can't make a lot of what is for sale.. although i think it does not make me think a 6.2 is on my list.
 
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This reeks of a frivolous lawsuit. How much has mileage actually decreased? 0.5 mpg? Nobody bought the 6.2L for the fuel economy. And if they were really concerned, why didn't they just get the 5.3L then? Total BS.
I'm not defending the lawsuit...for sure lawsuits are expensive related to the small difference in gas milage 0w40 will cost.

But...

the 5.3 and 6.2 get virtually identical fuel mileage on an average basis (or the EPA drive cycle). In many normal driving scenarios the 6.2 easily outpaces the 5.3 in fuel mileage due to the substantially higher torque.
 

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If I has a vehicle in this recall window, I would strongly consider 0W40 now until the time of the "Inspection".
Who knows how sensitive the "Inspection" will actually be and if you have 0W40 in the engine at the time of "Inspection" will if mask what GM is supposedly looking for.
Had I a vehicle in this recall window, I'd figure out how to get the engine replaced.

'I can has new 6.2L?'
 

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i don't know.. i just got done purchasing an SLT truck.. i went through iseecars to see what was for sale.. with high miles.. at 25k you get 30% 6.2s... at 100k you get 10% 6.2s for sale. At 150k i got 22 5.3s and no 6.2s.

I did a duramax. And i looked around at many years... going back to 2014. i do not the the 6.2s last much more than 125k or so. On the other hand there were a lot duramax for sale at 100k. They only have a few years to get there too.

You can't make a lot of what is for sale.. although i think it does not make me think a 6.2 is on my list.
I might be mistaken but SLT came with 5.3 and 6.2 was optional I don't remember when 6.2 was offered as option which might be why you see numbers as they are.
 

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Interesting new video out. If to be believed, it is an issue with crankshafts AND wrist pins. Two points for possible failure.

I will add more. If the crankshaft had been changed in the second half of 24 and 25, then the part number would have changed. And it remained the same. So the video is complete nonsense, as well as like a pass to GM, to give credibility to this video))
Moreover, the crankshaft from L87 has the same part number as the crankshaft from L86))
 

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I will add more. If the crankshaft had been changed in the second half of 24 and 25, then the part number would have changed. And it remained the same. So the video is complete nonsense, as well as like a pass to GM, to give credibility to this video))
Moreover, the crankshaft from L87 has the same part number as the crankshaft from L86))
Vladimir,

You clearly do not understand the issue with the crankshaft, it is not a different part. Same casting, same finishing process, just the finishing process had some errors that have now supposedly been corrected and addressed. Should GM maybe have changed the part number to eliminate confusion on old and new stock?? This has many ripple effects and the decision to not change the part number may have been the correct approach.

The problem with the crankshaft was the final finishing of the crankshaft, the machining and micro polishing of the crankshaft journals. Additionally there may have been debris that what not properly cleaned out of the crankshaft oiling holes or just poor final cleaning of the crankshaft before final installation. This is a process problem with the end machining and preparation of the raw crank forging. The final process of the crank manufacturing process would not necessarily require a part number change.

Additionally GM had outsource the crankshaft manufacturing to Mexico quite some time ago and probably due to the crank final machining, finishing and clean up, GM brought either the complete crank foundry work or at least the final crank machining, polishing and cleaning back to the US at the plant mentioned in the video.

If's fine if you do not agree with the video, but you clearly do not understand the failures that have been outlined with the 6.2l via the NHTSA documents and other information that is available. While the information out there may be a bit vague and not 100% complete, for people that fully understand the details of the machining requirements and have spent time in parts factories and engine assembly plants it is pretty clear what likely went wrong in the final machining, polishing and cleaning of the crankshaft.

I expect the problem it really 2 parts, partial blame of the foundry and machine work in Mexico and partial blame on the GM engine assembly plant because usually the final crank polishing and clean up is addressed just before the installation of the crank during engine assembly. But in this case GM may have chosen to outsource the final crank polishing and cleaning 100% to Mexico, which is general is a very bad idea. We may never know 100% where things went wrong, but likely is was a bad management decision that was a financial decision, not a quality decision. Additionally GM probably relied too much on automated final engine testing for Quality Control purposes rather than actually pulling a random statistical engine an perform a full tear down and inspection and provide feedback and make changes and improvements as necessary.

Now GM and the entire customer base a suffering from a few bad decisions that were for the most part 100% financially motivated. This entire situation will cost GM Billions in the long run as well as a loss of customer confidence and loyalty. GM has also had a really bad start to the entire recall as well and how the information has been released. I realize they needed to have a Stop Sale on all new, demo and used inventory because dealers cannot legally sell vehicles that have outstanding Recalls, but GM also screwed up big time on the way this entire mess has been communicated.
 

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Vladimir,

You clearly do not understand the issue with the crankshaft, it is not a different part. Same casting, same finishing process, just the finishing process had some errors that have now supposedly been corrected and addressed. Should GM maybe have changed the part number to eliminate confusion on old and new stock?? This has many ripple effects and the decision to not change the part number may have been the correct approach.

The problem with the crankshaft was the final finishing of the crankshaft, the machining and micro polishing of the crankshaft journals. Additionally there may have been debris that what not properly cleaned out of the crankshaft oiling holes or just poor final cleaning of the crankshaft before final installation. This is a process problem with the end machining and preparation of the raw crank forging. The final process of the crank manufacturing process would not necessarily require a part number change.

Additionally GM had outsource the crankshaft manufacturing to Mexico quite some time ago and probably due to the crank final machining, finishing and clean up, GM brought either the complete crank foundry work or at least the final crank machining, polishing and cleaning back to the US at the plant mentioned in the video.

If's fine if you do not agree with the video, but you clearly do not understand the failures that have been outlined with the 6.2l via the NHTSA documents and other information that is available. While the information out there may be a bit vague and not 100% complete, for people that fully understand the details of the machining requirements and have spent time in parts factories and engine assembly plants it is pretty clear what likely went wrong in the final machining, polishing and cleaning of the crankshaft.

I expect the problem it really 2 parts, partial blame of the foundry and machine work in Mexico and partial blame on the GM engine assembly plant because usually the final crank polishing and clean up is addressed just before the installation of the crank during engine assembly. But in this case GM may have chosen to outsource the final crank polishing and cleaning 100% to Mexico, which is general is a very bad idea. We may never know 100% where things went wrong, but likely is was a bad management decision that was a financial decision, not a quality decision. Additionally GM probably relied too much on automated final engine testing for Quality Control purposes rather than actually pulling a random statistical engine an perform a full tear down and inspection and provide feedback and make changes and improvements as necessary.

Now GM and the entire customer base a suffering from a few bad decisions that were for the most part 100% financially motivated. This entire situation will cost GM Billions in the long run as well as a loss of customer confidence and loyalty. GM has also had a really bad start to the entire recall as well and how the information has been released. I realize they needed to have a Stop Sale on all new, demo and used inventory because dealers cannot legally sell vehicles that have outstanding Recalls, but GM also screwed up big time on the way this entire mess has been communicated.
Man, you don't seem to understand what you're writing. If the supplier or the place of production changes, then the part goes under a different model number. No one produces parts under the same model number in different factories. The same inserts from L86 and L87 are the same, but they are made from different suppliers and have two different model numbers. but they are interchangeable. The crankshaft is the same, but at the same time the L86 crankshaft did not break the liners, also working at 0-20, and for some reason it breaks on the L87. You don't have to be a detective to put these facts together.

Yes, I disagree with this video, because unlike most people on this forum, I see the engine open, and not just watching it with the hood open. At the same time, when I advise people to check the liners by opening the oil pan, it is not difficult and not very expensive. And for sure there is a service that can do this, and it will immediately be seen whether there is wear on the liners and crankshaft or not, They tell me, Dude, no one here will do this. And you keep running from topic to topic with your ideas on oil pollution, and 0-20 oil.

First of all, drive on 0-40 oil, as much as I drove on 0-20 oil, then we'll discuss it.
 

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