6.2L Engine Wait Times...

[UsualSuspect]

1% may be acceptable to GM, but I’d bet 100% of the 1% will never buy one again and the PR they spread will negatively affect most all the potential buyers they talk with…

Owning a company, you are right. 1 customer having a bad experience will tell 1,000 people how bad it was, but the majority of the satisfied customers will usually comment only when asked.

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

Owning a company, you are right. 1 customer having a bad experience will tell 1,000 people how bad it was, but the majority of the satisfied customers will usually comment only when asked.

Reality is right now all of the big automakers are having issues...if GM nailed the quality, they might put one of them out of business...

 

[Stbentoak]

Owning a company, you are right. 1 customer having a bad experience will tell 1,000 people how bad it was, but the majority of the satisfied customers will usually comment only when asked.

As a previous company owner also, let me tell you problems are always going to exist. But the real proof of the pudding is in how you handle these problems and how quickly you resolve them to exceed your customers expectations. Most people can deal with problems, but they can’t deal with are promises without dates, no follow through, and a general regard that your problem is just not that important. The companies that master this part of it are usually quite successful..

 

[CMoore711]

There is a cost of quality calculation; and if the margins are up on the vehicles, the MFG can afford more defects and more warranty cost.

This 100% is absolutely accurate.

 

[malba2366]

According to Consumer Reports these vehicles have a "5.9 to 8.2 percent" rate of major engine repairs.

The bigger problem is that GM has no idea how to fix these lifter issues. This problem has been going on for years, and got worse once they made the brilliant decision to install the lifters on all the cylinders. They probably don't care because they will be out of the internal combustion engine business in 11 years.

 

[Dangler6131]

Not disagreeing, but my 2 local GM dealers are seeing a 4-9% failure rate. Both dealers have a dedicated commercial department as well.

I think that me being in farm, and oil drilling, country is why it might be a higher %.

This is what my see rep said. It’s closer to 1 in 20

 

[vcode]

I worked for a large auto/truck supplier. If we had bad parts in the 1 out of 100 range, we would have been out of business in days.

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

According to Consumer Reports these vehicles have a "5.9 to 8.2 percent" rate of major engine repairs.

The bigger problem is that GM has no idea how to fix these lifter issues. This problem has been going on for years, and got worse once they made the brilliant decision to install the lifters on all the cylinders. They probably don't care because they will be out of the internal combustion engine business in 11 years.

There is no way ICE is dead in 11 years…USA needs ICE for military…and there is not enough electrical generating capability to replace all the ICE vehicles on the road…gotta build more than charging stations; need power plants if all vehicles have to be electric…

 

[Silverado4x4]

There is no way ICE is dead in 11 years…USA needs ICE for military…and there is not enough electrical generating capability to replace all the ICE vehicles on the road…gotta build more than charging stations; need power plants if all vehicles have to be electric…

100% correct the ICE engine is never going away, GM is coming out with a new V8 ICE I need to find the link. Look at what Hertz is doing they are selling off 22,000 electric vehicles which is 1/3rd of there vehicles inventory because nobody wants to rent them and using the money to purchase gas vehicles, electric vehicles are dieing off and the manufacturers are seeing this.

 

[malba2366]

There is no way ICE is dead in 11 years…USA needs ICE for military…and there is not enough electrical generating capability to replace all the ICE vehicles on the road…gotta build more than charging stations; need power plants if all vehicles have to be electric…

The entire market won't be all electric in 2035, but according to Mary Barra GM will be for all vehicles up to light duty (which includes up to 1500). 2500 and up may still be ICE.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/gm-still-planning-end-gas-powered-vehicle-sales-by-2035-ceo-2023-12-13/

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

The entire market won't be all electric in 2035, but according to Mary Barra GM will be for all vehicles up to light duty (which includes up to 1500). 2500 and up may still be ICE.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/gm-still-planning-end-gas-powered-vehicle-sales-by-2035-ceo-2023-12-13/

She backpedaled from that recently. I thought.

Regardless, unless you see a significant increase in electric generation capacity soon, there is no way to meet that goal…simply not enough kWh available to replace all that petroleum energy in the fleet.

 

[Geotrash]

She backpedaled from that recently. I thought.

Regardless, unless you see a significant increase in electric generation capacity soon, there is no way to meet that goal…simply not enough kWh available to replace all that petroleum energy in the fleet.

+1. And that's only one of the issues. Another equal or greater issue is the more than half of Americans who don't have a garage at their residence and either park on the street or in a parking lot or large shared garage. They're not going to drag a 50A cord containing $200 in copper across the sidewalk and leave it out all night to charge their cars. Nor do I think they'll they spend 30+ minutes at a charging station a few times a week.

 

[malba2366]

She backpedaled from that recently. I thought.

Regardless, unless you see a significant increase in electric generation capacity soon, there is no way to meet that goal…simply not enough kWh available to replace all that petroleum energy in the fleet.

You are right, it probably won't happen in 2035, but I find it very interesting that GM has decided to spend what will end up being over $1 billion on a new small block engine family. No other automakers are spending money to design entirely new engine families, instead they are modifying existing designs and adding hybrid motors. I think it is very reasonable to expect that California and the states that follow will not back off on their EV mandates, so there will be ICE bans in place in 2035 in some very significant markets. While these places may not be huge volume markets for GM trucks, I would be willing to bet that these areas, which contain many of the most affluent parts of the nation, are very significant for the most profitable, loaded up trims of the pickups and SUVs (Denalis, Escalade etc.)

To me the fact that GM is spending so much to develop the "Gen 6 Small Block" suggests that they know that they can not fix the problems with their current cylinder deactivation system and this is what spurred them to design an entirely new engine family which will not show up until around 2026.