Escalade EV announced

[pwtr02ss]

I also wish EVs weren't so politicized. I'm far from a tree hugger and I think they are awesome. At this point, they aren't for everyone but in 10 years, I believe they will be. Just look at how far we've came in the past 10. Teslas are awesome and will probably be our next vehicle. My issue with them is, they have nothing that can replace my yukon. I like the X but not enough to buy one. I can't make myself like the looks. Quickness on EVs is insane. For me, the connivence and lack of maintenance is the determining factor in my want for one. Not saving the world or going green.

 

[DuraYuk]

Well, in general, scientists have long argued that oil is a renewable resource that has nothing to do with organic matter. And here there is not even a close theory and a flat earth.
About the fact that an electric car is always charging ... how much can it charge overnight at home? 5-7-10kw per hour? and the consumption of an Escalade format car will most likely be 35-40 kW per 100 km ... it turns out that it will charge from 100 to 200 km overnight. and it's summer. and in winter it's -50% cool, charge the car all night and charge for 50 km)))
And about autotravel far, I generally keep quiet. 2 hours to go, 1 hour to drink coffee while charging. Why such a journey? while my Yukon gives a range of more than 1000 km.

Um no. No it's not. https://www.energy.gov/fossil#:~:text=Fossil energy sources, including oil,buried by layers of rock.

No one is here to convince you. If it doesn't work for you that's cool. No need to make things up.

 

[DuraYuk]

The fact of the matter is that we do not invent, but we look realistically at things. History is full of cases where marketing and greed go against logic and common sense. The wholesale planting of diesel in Europe, now, oh my God, diesel has turned out to be harmful after the diesel car fleet has become more than 80%, now let's have electric cars in every home. and we will ban Diesel, declare it harmful, and stop letting it into the cities .... this is just LOL

Right. No need to learn and protect the earth. We should just abolish the EPA.

 

[soulsea]

Every time a new EV is announced the thread devolves into a generalized discussion on the science and politics of EVs in general and inevitably staff has to close it.

This is a thread specific to the Escalade EV … please stay on topic.

 

[Vladimir2306]

Um no. No it's not. https://www.energy.gov/fossil#:~:text=Fossil energy sources, including oil,buried by layers of rock.

No one is here to convince you. If it doesn't work for you that's cool. No need to make things up.

Hmm...that's very funny. When I search for "oil is a renewable resource" in English, Google returns nothing. When I ask the same request in Russian, a lot of information appears. Even our schools are changing the curriculum, telling us that oil and gas are a renewable resource. It`s realy interesting))))))

 

[DuraYuk]

Hmm...that's very funny. When I search for "oil is a renewable resource" in English, Google returns nothing. When I ask the same request in Russian, a lot of information appears. Even our schools are changing the curriculum, telling us that oil and gas are a renewable resource. It`s realy interesting))))))

Lol there you go. Answered it yourself.

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

This could be a good vehicle for the folks that use their Escalade as a high end gricery getter, only haul people, and do mostly in town driving. Probably a good chunk of Esky drivers.

I have my Yukon to do truck like stuff: tow my boat, move people, move cargo (kids back and forth to college, etc). Its range would be a limiter to me…but I do hope somewhere along the road they solve the range while towing issue.

I kind of like the idea of a Diesel Hybrid version.

 

[soulsea]

^ This is why I wish they would have done an Escalade PHEV with say as 60 mile electric range as opposed to full EV. I would have used it 95% of the time in electric mode and had the freedom to use it as a regular vehicle for long trips and not be beholden to an outlet.

 

[DuraYuk]

^ This is why I wish they would have done an Escalade PHEV with say as 60 mile electric range as opposed to full EV. I would have used it 95% of the time in electric mode and had the freedom to use it as a regular vehicle for long trips and not be beholden to an outlet.

I think in the future we will see more hybrids and phev vehicles.

I think ev is cool and all but i don't see a future of 100% electric vehicles. It will be a combination of alternative fuel vehicles (hybrid,phev,ev, and hydrogen where applicable)

There's a reason toyota hasn't jumped 100% into ev. They are probably the most calculated car manufacture in existence.

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

I think in the future we will see more hybrids and phev vehicles.

I think ev is cool and all but i don't see a future of 100% electric vehicles. It will be a combination of alternative fuel vehicles (hybrid,phev,ev, and hydrogen where applicable)

There's a reason toyota hasn't jumped 100% into ev. They are probably the most calculated car manufacture in existence.

Honda not very EV either....although they have a goal to be 100% "electrified;" they seem to be going Hybrid, mostly, to accomplish this (full disclosure, our other family vehicle is a CR-V Hybrid)

 

[Doubeleive]

I wonder what the range is when you drive it @90mph+ most of the time with many instances of quick acceleration, as much as I wouldn't mind having a ev I couldn't take it anywhere without many stops along the way.
i mean if it is like anything that runs on a battery if you use it full bore the fun stops quicker.
might be alright for around town but is it worth it?

 

[R32driver]

It's just gonna be an overpriced toy for the rich to show off around town, not a practical useful suv. EV tech is cool but it's far from practical for most and I certainly don't buy into the lie that going electric is somehow saving the planet. Then add in the fact that the govt is more or less forcing these vehicles upon us makes them very unappealing to me, especially one built by GM

 

[Onlyone]

I wonder what the range is when you drive it @90mph+ most of the time with many instances of quick acceleration, as much as I wouldn't mind having a ev I couldn't take it anywhere without many stops along the way.
i mean if it is like anything that runs on a battery if you use it full bore the fun stops quicker.
might be alright for around town but is it worth it?

They are terrific around town but completely useless on a road trip. Pain in the ass waiting to charge. This is coming from a Tesla owner. I can’t even imagine owning a ford or GM EV On long trips. You would spend so much time waiting, and money charging. Charging on the road is NOT cheap. Don’t let the eco warriors tell you different. Most of their ******** is just more dinsformation.

 

[DuraYuk]

They are terrific around town but completely useless on a road trip. Pain in the ass waiting to charge. This is coming from a Tesla owner. I can’t even imagine owning a ford or GM EV On long trips. You would spend so much time waiting, and money charging. Charging on the road is NOT cheap. Don’t let the eco warriors tell you different. Most of their ******** is just more dinsformation.

what is expensive ? https://www.electrifyamerica.com/pricing/

No doubt waiting 40 mins to charge can be problematic. Gotta make it a food stop or something. Usually why the Chargers are at a destination of sorts.

Ford/gm/ and literally everyone else with the exception of really cheap evs are not much longer to charge than a tesla and have much superior products from a quality standpoint. Our teslas was severely lacking in quality. Batteries were cool but nothing else on those cars inspired confidence.

The GM evs feel great. Even the little bolt punches above its weight.

I just find it funny how blatant the misinformation is when it comes to evs.

Like the escalade ev may be low on long range (doubt it's less than 400 miles since Silverado ev has that much ) and may lose range when towing and may be expensive.

But you guys are just making things up. Like how oil is renewable or that electricity isnt efficient.

Anyways it's not the end of the world. As the transition happens there will be plenty to reach out as wide a customer base as possible. Many here will age out anyways.

We will see when it comes out. I hope gm offers some diesel hybrid options in their large suvs.

 

[Onlyone]

what is expensive ? https://www.electrifyamerica.com/pricing/

No doubt waiting 40 mins to charge can be problematic. Gotta make it a food stop or something. Usually why the Chargers are at a destination of sorts.

Ford/gm/ and literally everyone else with the exception of really cheap evs are not much longer to charge than a tesla and have much superior products from a quality standpoint. Our teslas was severely lacking in quality. Batteries were cool but nothing else on those cars inspired confidence.

The GM evs feel great. Even the little bolt punches above its weight.

I just find it funny how blatant the misinformation is when it comes to evs.

Like the escalade ev may be low on long range (doubt it's less than 400 miles since Silverado ev has that much ) and may lose range when towing and may be expensive.

But you guys are just making things up. Like how oil is renewable or that electricity isnt efficient.

Anyways it's not the end of the world. As the transition happens there will be plenty to reach out as wide a customer base as possible. Many here will age out anyways.

We will see when it comes out. I hope gm offers some diesel hybrid options in their large suvs.

I’ve spent upwards of 40-60 dollars at Tesla fast chargers on the road for about 315 miles of range. They are not cheap, and those charge America crap, you will spend hours just trying to get 1/2 a charge in some of them. The charging rates are all over the map.

No one is making anything up but you. Just stop trying to spread your blatant lies. Everyone sees through your many posts, full of disinformation. Please stop with the childishness. Move on.

 

[Vladimir2306]

what is expensive ? https://www.electrifyamerica.com/pricing/

No doubt waiting 40 mins to charge can be problematic. Gotta make it a food stop or something. Usually why the Chargers are at a destination of sorts.

Ford/gm/ and literally everyone else with the exception of really cheap evs are not much longer to charge than a tesla and have much superior products from a quality standpoint. Our teslas was severely lacking in quality. Batteries were cool but nothing else on those cars inspired confidence.

The GM evs feel great. Even the little bolt punches above its weight.

I just find it funny how blatant the misinformation is when it comes to evs.

Like the escalade ev may be low on long range (doubt it's less than 400 miles since Silverado ev has that much ) and may lose range when towing and may be expensive.

But you guys are just making things up. Like how oil is renewable or that electricity isnt efficient.

Anyways it's not the end of the world. As the transition happens there will be plenty to reach out as wide a customer base as possible. Many here will age out anyways.

We will see when it comes out. I hope gm offers some diesel hybrid options in their large suvs.

What does electricity mean efficiently? It becomes as inefficient as possible the further you pull it from production to consumption. That is why the largest consumers of electricity, aluminum smelters are located directly at the hydroelectric power plant. And the longer the wire, the greater the loss. Tesla has an efficiency of 90%, but even on the wire of its charging, heat is generated, which reduces the efficiency of charging. The wind turbine has an efficiency of 40%, a nuclear power plant 30%, coal, gas 20%. Even if you calculate that you are charging a Tesla right at a nuclear power plant, without wires ... You will get 30 * 0.9 = 27% efficiency ... This is the upd level of a carburetor gasoline engine

 

[DuraYuk]

I’ve spent upwards of 40-60 dollars at Tesla fast chargers on the road for about 315 miles of range. They are not cheap, and those charge America crap, you will spend hours just trying to get 1/2 a charge in some of them. The charging rates are all over the map.

No one is making anything up but you. Just stop trying to spread your blatant lies. Everyone sees through your many posts, full of disinformation. Please stop with the childishness. Move on.

What is misinformation ? I source my material.

Electricity rates fluctuate. That's nothing new.

Seems there's a certain group here who revel in sensationalism and it isn't me. Just cold hard objectivity.

As an engineer that's what I'm paid to do so never been much of a bs'er.

Hopefully they offer the next gen with a hybrid. They have done it before..

 

[Vladimir2306]

About the electric escalade, the electric hummer consumes 35kW per 100 km in terms of technical characteristics, but we know that these are ideal conditions for a "horse in a vacuum". Most likely, the real consumption with the condition of winter or air conditioning, traffic jams will be 45-50 kW per 100 km. I don't know the ratio of the prices of electricity on supercharges and gasoline, but this can all be calculated, we in Russia have 1 kW at a cost equal to 0.5 liters of gasoline ... This means that this electric crap will eat about 22-25 liters per 100 km of gasoline. But excuse me, my Yukon eats 17 liters, and even the 900th Tahoe consumed 19 liters per 100 km. Electric cars are effective when you charge them at home from a home outlet, but you can only cram 70-100kW into it overnight. Well, it's not enough

 

[Sam Harris]

That is misinformation. 20% was coal and it's declining year over year.

Electricity generated from renewables surpassed coal in the U.S. last year

Electricity generated from renewables surpassed coal in the United States for the first time in 2022, the U.S. Energy Information Administration announced Monday.

www.pbs.org

What is U.S. electricity generation by energy source? - Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

I think 'they' are transitioning from fossil fuels to renewable energy.

37% on a worldwide level and again that is gonna taper significantly. https://www.worldcoal.org/coal-facts/coal-electricity/

Far cry from your 60% sensational jargon lol.

The largest problem with “renewable” energy production is storing it.
Power generation requires “baseline power”, to provide a constant level needed for consumption.
During peak times, additional generation is required, which these days, is typically provided by burning natural gas and spinning turbines.
I’m all for alternative power generation where it makes sense. We should certainly use the technology at our disposal, to generate when the conditions are right.
Unfortunately, the only current means of storing power, is via batteries, which are extremely inefficient, expensive, and also terrible for the environment, whether you’re looking at building the batteries, or disposing of them.
Bottom line: neither baseline, nor peak power can be generated on demand from virtually any of the alternatives to fossil fuels, or nuclear (my choice for optimal power generation), although I believe kinetic power generated by waves is pretty ideal, and can be used to provide baseline power, since there are always waves. (If optimally planned and installed).
Also, we should consider ALL effects of the various means of power generation when determining whether they are “good” or “bad” for the environment. Whether you’re pro, or against alternative power, I truly don’t believe any of us wish to destroy our planet in the process of taking care of our needs.
Each form of power generation has its positives, and drawbacks. I’m personally pretty unhappy with the vast amount of wind farms in our nation. They are not efficient, and cause damage to the environment, birds of prey, and require quite a bit of maintenance. These wind turbines also lose a huge amount of efficiency, after being maintained (including having the blades cleaned), very shortly after, due to bugs, and bird poop, etc, sticking to the blades.
And again, we get back to the actual transmission and storage of the power generated.. collecting the power from any source, and storing it is done with batteries.. if we can come up with something better than batteries (hopefully not requiring mining for heavy metals, and toxic materials), that would open the door for many of the alternatives to be effective, and able to provide both baseline, and peak power needs.
However, until the transmission, and especially storage of power is addressed with something better, no alternative sources to nuclear, or fossil fuels are feasible.

 

[DuraYuk]

What does electricity mean efficiently? It becomes as inefficient as possible the further you pull it from production to consumption. That is why the largest consumers of electricity, aluminum smelters are located directly at the hydroelectric power plant. And the longer the wire, the greater the loss. Tesla has an efficiency of 90%, but even on the wire of its charging, heat is generated, which reduces the efficiency of charging. The wind turbine has an efficiency of 40%, a nuclear power plant 30%, coal, gas 20%. Even if you calculate that you are charging a Tesla right at a nuclear power plant, without wires ... You will get 30 * 0.9 = 27% efficiency ... This is the upd level of a carburetor gasoline engine

Dude electricity is the way because it can be renewable.

I dont know if i need to google your stats in Russian like you said but English Google says nuclear is more efficient than your claims. https://energyeducation.ca/encyclop...chieve,potentially reach above 45% efficiency.

Ev is being pushed because of the renewable aspect and overall efficiency compared to fossil fuels. And less emmisions come from those energy creation methods.

Not everything is a conspiracy. Misunderstood sure but not a conspiracy.

A wind turbine uses wind. Hydroelectricity uses water. Nuclear is almost limitless. These are not finite resources. That is the appeal.

Synthetic fuels are promising and may be a niche for some but it still produces emmissions. Hydrogen combustion seems promising too but currently not much hydrogen infrastructure.

Regardless I'll leave that here as the mods said we are getting off topic.

Escalade ev is coming. Should be a promising product for some. Im excited to see how it develops and how the tech trickles down into other things.