2022 order cutoff to 2023 order-to-availability

[Polo08816]

What will change so significantly? Do you really think people are going to buy Toyota’s and Jeeps at the same price point (or more) as a Yukon or a Tahoe would cost them?

Ford has the best chance of eating at GM’s marketshare. I wouldn’t be suprised if the Wagoneer gets discontinued by 2024

I think Toyota and Jeep's actual market selling price (not MSRP) will be in line with GM products. And if GM's supply can't meet the market demand, consumers will end up purchasing alternatives.

I don't see the Wagoneer being discontinued by 2024 because if GM and Ford's supply cannot keep up with demand, why would Stellantis discontinue a product that shares a similar chassis as the Ram 1500? In fact, rumor has it that Stellantis will introduce another variant, the Dodge Durango using the Wagoneer platform to the market.

 

[firsttimetahoe]

You can order a Yukon Denali XL 4wd for about $300 over invoice so about $74k and you can order a Grand Wagoneer for about 6% under invoice so about $79k.

I am talking about the real world with what the typical car buyer is being quoted.

You are cherry picking the two dealers that 99.9% of the buyers don't have access to

Show me multiple car dealer sites all across the country where they are advertising a Brand New Grand Wagoneer at $79k. Or even a Brand New Denali XL 4WD at $74k.

 

[firsttimetahoe]

why would Stellantis discontinue a product that shares a similar chassis as the Ram 1500? In fact, rumor has it that Stellantis will introduce another variant, the Dodge Durango using the Wagoneer platform to the market.

When they can't unload their inventory until they have to reduce it to a price where it no longer makes financial sense for dealers to sell them, and the dealers stop ordering them...they'll be discounted.

 

[Polo08816]

I am talking about the real world with what the typical car buyer is being quoted.

You are cherry picking the two dealers that 99.9% of the buyers don't have access to

Show me multiple car dealer sites all across the country where they are advertising a Brand New Grand Wagoneer at $79k. Or even a Brand New Denali XL 4WD at $74k.

Do they have a cell phone or access to the internet? Are they banned from flying because they acted like a fool on a plane or in an airport?

 

[firsttimetahoe]

Do they have a cell phone or access to the internet? Are they banned from flying because they acted like a fool on a plane or in an airport?

You are further proving my point, my friend. You are talking about a very very small minority of people.

 

[Polo08816]

Yukon Denali ultimate, I’m gona say $89,995

I don't doubt it.

 

[Toasty]

Dealer I have my order with has heard nothing of this early cutoff for RETAIL orders. The only data that is posted online is from fleet companies, so there's no indication that 22 MY RETAIL orders are done end of April. Historically, these big SUV model changeovers happen in the fall, it's way early.

 

[Blueinterceptor]

Spoke to my dealer Friday. This is looking to become the reality. Chevrolet has plans to build 35% more product and is switching over to a build sold order first business plan. Ordering guides should be out in mid to late may. If anyone is interested.

 

[Polo08816]

Dealer I have my order with has heard nothing of this early cutoff for RETAIL orders. The only data that is posted online is from fleet companies, so there's no indication that 22 MY RETAIL orders are done end of April. Historically, these big SUV model changeovers happen in the fall, it's way early.

I would imagine, if anything, GM would cutoff retail orders before dealer stock orders for a designated model year.

 

[Buffalown]

Dealer I have my order with has heard nothing of this early cutoff for RETAIL orders. The only data that is posted online is from fleet companies, so there's no indication that 22 MY RETAIL orders are done end of April. Historically, these big SUV model changeovers happen in the fall, it's way early.

On the suggestion of my salesman (due to current trade in market) I put in an order for another Tahoe the day after I picked mine up (same exact build). He said it was definitely going to be a 23 at this point. For what it's worth I don't know if that applies to orders that were placed months ago.

 

[Toasty]

I would imagine, if anything, GM would cutoff retail orders before dealer stock orders for a designated model year.

clarification - I meant RETAIL as in Sold or Stock vs FLEET. (rental, fleet management sources like for company cars, etc)

 

[Shagman]

I just found this. It may have already been shared and old.
2022/2023 changeover forecast

 

[Steebu]

First I've seen of this - but this is great info, even if taken with a grain of salt.

It does indicate that the timelines mentioned are mostly on point: 2023 orders starting in a few weeks with production beginning in August. Hope that's true, but moreso hope that production begins with fully-featured vehicles!

 

[Brand0n]

Does the order cutoff for 22s seem off? Has anyone ordered since? A few local dealers claim to be taking orders still…although I suspect they know they’ll be flipped to 23 but just don’t want to disclose this.

 

[RVAHokie]

Does the order cutoff for 22s seem off? Has anyone ordered since? A few local dealers claim to be taking orders still…although I suspect they know they’ll be flipped to 23 but just don’t want to disclose this.

That graphic is for fleet orders so their cutoff is earlier than retail

 

[Brand0n]

Doh….completely miss the previous posts stating so. Sorry about that!

 

[Larry07Yukon]

Looks like another Chapman Ford in the NJ/PA area is publicly offering 2% off invoice pricing on new Expedition orders. It joins a list of other Ford dealerships advertising ordering an Expedition below invoice: https://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/now-ordering-2022-expedition-at-2-under-invoice.50348/

Koons Woodbridge Ford (5% below invoice)
Granger Ford (3% below invoice)

How long are the orders for Ford? I may have to jump ship as my Denali diesel hasn’t gained much traffic

 

[Polo08816]

How long are the orders for Ford? I may have to jump ship as my Denali diesel hasn’t gained much traffic

I'm not exactly sure.

From time to time, I'll browse this forum:

https://www.f150gen14.com/forum/forums/pricing-ordering-tracking-production.3/

And just skim for the thread title that has the furthest out build date and add 2-4 months on top of that since the thread date is people who have received a notification from Ford that their F150 is scheduled for a build.

Now I don't think there's that level of granularity on the Ford Expedition forums.

 

[todayusay]

How long are the orders for Ford? I may have to jump ship as my Denali diesel hasn’t gained much traffic

Ford shut down their 2022 super duty truck ordering a month or so ago...rumor mill is that they won't even start taking 2023 orders until late fall

 

[Skud]

How long are the orders for Ford? I may have to jump ship as my Denali diesel hasn’t gained much traffic

I’m in the same situation. Ordered a Denali XL diesel in sept of 2021. Still not accepted.

Ordered an Expedition Max Stealth Performance about two weeks ago and its already scheduled for production the week of 6/20.