2022 Tahoe vs 2023 Sequoia

[Banks22]

I have a GMC and pissed at GM for the Costly on-star $39.00 per month. The remote key fob remote start no longer works because i'm not paying the monthly FEE.

The remote key fob should still work, that doesn’t go off Onstar. If you try doing from your phone on the app then that requires Onstar

 

[drmoose]

The remote key fob should still work, that doesn’t go off Onstar. If you try doing from your phone on the app then that requires Onstar

Ya the Key FOB start has nothing to do with Onstar. I was really annoyed when I found out I had been paying $39 for 5+ months for that. I did use the remote unlock once to let my wife in, but none of that is worth $40/mo. They SAID they would let me know when the free trial was up and tell me my credit card would start being charged. Pretty sure that never happened.

 

[H1Chester]

Yodas might be reliable but they are terrible on gas mileage. I don’t trust the longevity of stock turbos. Especially if you’re doing a lot of towing you’re already maxing the capacity of the engine and turbosa. It might have V8 towing capacity but the turbos are at high boost to get there. Plus heat soak.

 

[R32driver]

I’ve always thought Toyota interiors looked kinda cheap and covered in plastic but that new interior is a step in the right direction, other than that huge screen. I really like these new GM interiors though and the improved 3rd row is great. I’m 6’3” and have rode back there in our XL a couple times and it was spacious back there compared to before

 

[Fireman591]

I have a GMC and pissed at GM for the Costly on-star $39.00 per month. The remote key fob remote start no longer works because i'm not paying the monthly FEE.

Tell them you will only pay $7.99. Thats what we have on two of our vehicles. I think it is called the connectivity plan.

 

[YhEnThAlPy]

Sequoia's trunk is a joke and not really useful.. I don't get why they get such design.. All of other cars in this segment get almost flat floor in the trunk area.

 

[Polo08816]

I'm not that impressed with the Sequoia, however, I certainly welcome more competition to the 1/2 ton full size SUV market.

I've been checking out the 2022 Ford Expedition Limited Max with Stealth Performance Edition and I see some serious advantages over the GM products:
- available high output EcoBoost engine with 3.73 rear end will make it feel more powerful while towing; GM has a much lower rear diff gear ratio and the 10 speed auto ratios are identical between Ford and GM
- higher payload capacity / tow rating with tow package
- people that have had both GM and Ford usually prefer Ford seats for comfort
- adjustable pedals
- has HD radio (not as de-featured as GM)

I think the GM Yukon Denali XL looks slightly better than the Ford Expedition, but the Ford Expedition Limited Max with Stealth Performance Edition looks pretty good.

I do like GM's simpler engine and I would prefer it over the EcoBoost, but I can accept the High Output EcoBoost engine that is also found in the F150 Raptor.

I do think the GM with MagneRide suspension will be more compliant than the "Sport Tuned Suspension" of the Ford Expedition Limited Max with Stealth Performance Edition but I'm waiting for a review of the Ford to see what the exact differences are in the suspension.

The actual sale price of both vehicles will be incredibly similar. Ford has a much higher MSRP but Granger Ford will sell for 3% below invoice which puts it at about the same pricing as buying a GMC Yukon Denali XL from Robideaux Motors.

I think it's worth holding out for a 2023 to see if GM will bring back certain features and also to see if anyone makes substantive changes to their headlights now that the USDOT is allowing higher end adaptive headlights.

 

[Banks22]

I'm not that impressed with the Sequoia, however, I certainly welcome more competition to the 1/2 ton full size SUV market.

I've been checking out the 2022 Ford Expedition Limited Max with Stealth Performance Edition and I see some serious advantages over the GM products:
- available high output EcoBoost engine with 3.73 rear end will make it feel more powerful while towing; GM has a much lower rear diff gear ratio and the 10 speed auto ratios are identical between Ford and GM
- higher payload capacity / tow rating with tow package
- people that have had both GM and Ford usually prefer Ford seats for comfort
- adjustable pedals
- has HD radio (not as de-featured as GM)

I think the GM Yukon Denali XL looks slightly better than the Ford Expedition, but the Ford Expedition Limited Max with Stealth Performance Edition looks pretty good.

I do like GM's simpler engine and I would prefer it over the EcoBoost, but I can accept the High Output EcoBoost engine that is also found in the F150 Raptor.

I do think the GM with MagneRide suspension will be more compliant than the "Sport Tuned Suspension" of the Ford Expedition Limited Max with Stealth Performance Edition but I'm waiting for a review of the Ford to see what the exact differences are in the suspension.

The actual sale price of both vehicles will be incredibly similar. Ford has a much higher MSRP but Granger Ford will sell for 3% below invoice which puts it at about the same pricing as buying a GMC Yukon Denali XL from Robideaux Motors.

I think it's worth holding out for a 2023 to see if GM will bring back certain features and also to see if anyone makes substantive changes to their headlights now that the USDOT is allowing higher end adaptive headlights.

What do u pull with that? I think I’d go with the 6.2 over the V6, and I just think the new Tahoe/Yukon/esky are the best looking SUV’s by far

 

[Ta-dahoe]

Isn't the Sequoia going to be using the same Tundra engine that has already been having tons of problems? I saw that some people's trucks were bricked at just a few hundred miles. They'll get that sorted out eventually, no doubt, and Toyota makes a quality vehicle, but I absolutely would not purchase one for a few years. That may be slightly hypocritical given the 5.3 problems and the fact that I have a '21 Z71, but I feel like I've seen a lot more early complaining about the Tundra's reliability than I did the Tahoe's.

We'll likely do the next iteration of the 4Runner for our other vehicle, so I'm looking forward to seeing what the specs are on that.

 

[Polo08816]

What do u pull with that? I think I’d go with the 6.2 over the V6, and I just think the new Tahoe/Yukon/esky are the best looking SUV’s by far

GM has had their fair share of problems with the V8s lately. I think the EcoBoost is certainly more complicated but appears to be less problematic in the 2021+ F150s.

I would be towing a flat bed tilt car trailer for the track. Total weight would be around 6,000lbs not including gear inside the tow vehicle.

Updated 2022 Ford Expedition Limited Max with the Stealth Performance Edition package:

 

[CruiseGuy24]

Not sure why they would dump IRS and have less cargo space. I owned a couple of Sequoia's and the space behind third row was not bad and was better than Tahoe (at the time).

 

[Savage Pancake]

I’ve always thought Toyota interiors looked kinda cheap and covered in plastic but that new interior is a step in the right direction, other than that huge screen. I really like these new GM interiors though and the improved 3rd row is great. I’m 6’3” and have rode back there in our XL a couple times and it was spacious back there compared to before

They are still covered in plastic; all the seating is polyurethane (sequoia TRD Pro). Disappointing, esp. considering the Sequoia TRD PRO will more than likely be $70k+

 

[YhEnThAlPy]

I just ordered 22 expedition timberline yesterday. I was considering between Z71 and timberline primarily, new sequoia is out of my choice after I saw the middle floor bump in second row, small third row space and weird rear trunk configuration. Here are reasons why I chose timberline:

1. car seat friendly second row, it support tilt and slide so you don’t need to fold the second row to enter third. Z71 can only support complete fold.

2. Middle seat head rest in the middle of second and third row seat. I have two small kids so I will put two car seat in second row and either me or my wife can sit in the middle seat, having head rest is much safer.
All of these GM suvs don’t have it.

3. Adaptive cruise control. Z71 doesn’t support. My daily commute car is a Tesla and autopilot is great. I can’t drive a car that doesn’t even have ACC.

4. Higher safety score. Expedition is 5 star vs Tahoe which is 4 star.

5. Interior looks, I prefer timberline interior over Z71. I like GMC Denali interior but doesn’t like the exterior chromes, also I want to rugged look SUV.

5. No price mark up. Ford dealer said they can do x-plan price vs Chevy dealers have 10K markups in my area(Seattle).

I think I will miss the V8 (though timberline actually has more power) and magnetic damper(smoother ride?) but it’s ok..

 

[mikeyss]

I just ordered 22 expedition timberland yesterday. I was considering between Z71 and timberland primarily, new sequoia is out of my choice after I saw the middle floor bump in second row, small third row space and weird rear trunk configuration. Here are reasons why I chose Timberland:

1. car seat friendly second row, it support tilt and slide so you don’t need to fold the second row to enter third. Z71 can only support complete fold.

2. Middle seat head rest in the middle of second and third row seat. I have two small kids so I will put two car seat in second row and either me or my wife can sit in the middle seat, having head rest is much safer.
All of these GM suvs don’t have it.

3. Adaptive cruise control. Z71 doesn’t support. My daily commute car is a Tesla and autopilot is great. I can’t drive a car that doesn’t even have ACC.

4. Higher safety score. Expedition is 5 star vs Tahoe which is 4 star.

5. Interior looks, I prefer timberland interior over Z71. I like GMC Denali interior but doesn’t like the exterior chromes, also I want to rugged look SUV.

5. No price mark up. Ford dealer said they can do x-plan price vs Chevy dealers have 10K markups in my area(Seattle).

I think I will miss the V8 (though timberland actually has more power) and magnetic damper(smoother ride?) but it’s ok..

Doesn't the Expy have a new continual suspension type system similar to GM's magnaride system?

 

[YhEnThAlPy]

Doesn't the Expy have a new continual suspension type system similar to GM's magnaride system?

The timberline order configuration only says offroad shock and suspension. IIRC the higher trims do have some kind of adaptive suspension.

 

[sanman28]

I just ordered 22 expedition timberline yesterday. I was considering between Z71 and timberline primarily, new sequoia is out of my choice after I saw the middle floor bump in second row, small third row space and weird rear trunk configuration. Here are reasons why I chose timberline:

1. car seat friendly second row, it support tilt and slide so you don’t need to fold the second row to enter third. Z71 can only support complete fold.

2. Middle seat head rest in the middle of second and third row seat. I have two small kids so I will put two car seat in second row and either me or my wife can sit in the middle seat, having head rest is much safer.
All of these GM suvs don’t have it.

3. Adaptive cruise control. Z71 doesn’t support. My daily commute car is a Tesla and autopilot is great. I can’t drive a car that doesn’t even have ACC.

4. Higher safety score. Expedition is 5 star vs Tahoe which is 4 star.

5. Interior looks, I prefer timberline interior over Z71. I like GMC Denali interior but doesn’t like the exterior chromes, also I want to rugged look SUV.

5. No price mark up. Ford dealer said they can do x-plan price vs Chevy dealers have 10K markups in my area(Seattle).

I think I will miss the V8 (though timberline actually has more power) and magnetic damper(smoother ride?) but it’s ok..

I have a 20’ fx4 expy….and a new Denali. The expy feels faster…..and your timberline will have more power. That being said, I’m switching to an AT4 as soon as it’s built. The GMC is better quality interior and layout, IMO, than my FX4. I’m sure the new timberline is awesome though and i would have ordered one if that option had been available sooner. I do find it humorous that ford clearly copied the AT4 front end when they designed the timberline. Even on mine, i cant really tell a difference on ride quality. They are all so good now it seems trivial.

 

[Polo08816]

I have a 20’ fx4 expy….and a new Denali. The expy feels faster…..and your timberline will have more power. That being said, I’m switching to an AT4 as soon as it’s built. The GMC is better quality interior and layout, IMO, than my FX4. I’m sure the new timberline is awesome though and i would have ordered one if that option had been available sooner. I do find it humorous that ford clearly copied the AT4 front end when they designed the timberline. Even on mine, i cant really tell a difference on ride quality. They are all so good now it seems trivial.

Did your 2020 FX4 have a 3.73 rear end? The ratios between the Ford and GM 10 speeds are exactly the same.

 

[YhEnThAlPy]

I have a 20’ fx4 expy….and a new Denali. The expy feels faster…..and your timberline will have more power. That being said, I’m switching to an AT4 as soon as it’s built. The GMC is better quality interior and layout, IMO, than my FX4. I’m sure the new timberline is awesome though and i would have ordered one if that option had been available sooner. I do find it humorous that ford clearly copied the AT4 front end when they designed the timberline. Even on mine, i cant really tell a difference on ride quality. They are all so good now it seems trivial.

Curious what made you to do the switch from Denali to AT4?

 

[sanman28]

Curious what made you to do the switch from Denali to AT4?

I am selling the ford. Wife drives the denali. I am getting the at4.

 

[sanman28]

Did your 2020 FX4 have a 3.73 rear end? The ratios between the Ford and GM 10 speeds are exactly the same.

Yes. I think all the FX4 with the tow package are 3.73. That could be it, but the turbo engine builds torque differently i bet. I have not driven the AT4 yet, and my wifes denali does not have the tow package....so time will tell. I like them all honestly, and if money was not an issue id keep the ford to drive on odd days.