It's about time someone called out GM on this issue!!!!!

[CriticalThinker]

Well, that'll drive up the cost of the cars for everyone another grand or two and the plaintiff's will each get a check for $2 in ten years. Meanwhile, the lawyers will fund the purchase of planes, boats, fancy cars, campaign contributions and expensive college tuitions for their children for the next ten years.

Or, I guess the lawyers could have not filed the lawsuit and GM could have just gone on putting defective parts into the cars and leaving it for the consumer do deal with later. I mean, I get the distaste for some lawyers, but do you think the average consumer could effect a major improvement to an industry without the help of class lawyers?

 

[badtothe bone]

GM perfected "planned obsolescence" a long time ago.
It's not a Ford.
It's designed to last about 10 years or 100,000 miles.
Or as long as the warranty permits.
You got to live somewhere dry, with no salt, or be a damned good mechanic and body man to keep it on the road past it's expiration date.
The road warriors that runs it on the interstate and just pound's the miles out of it doesn't count.

So why are you surprised that this issue developed now.

It was going to happen sooner or later anyways.

Just like the Cadillac and the Edsel and the Pinto, if you aren't satisfied, quit buying it.

 

[mountie]

( Turn on my " Way back" machine).......
1988 GMC C2500-, back in 1990, my factory warranty- covered transmission was failing.
The dealer had the truck, kept it overnight ( so tranny cold in morning)... They just drove it around the block at 8:00 am. ( Did not get warm yet)... They said it performed "within spec". ...
" Repair denied".... As I drove home, it failed in 15 minutes. I returned and they refused to look at it. A LONG STORY SHORT...... Took it 2 other dealers.... same answer.....
Finding out, the problem was the " GM service area representative "....

EVEN GM CORPORATE OK'd the warranty. But the jerk in L.A. for some reason denied it.

Finding out, my written "complaint" did not list the required WORDS describing my issue...
The words I used was not in the GM TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN, the covered the replacement of my 700R4 transmission currently active as defective internal parts.
(( They expect a consumer to know a mechanic's description of defect as per GM )))

I ended fixing it myself. ( bad lock-up, or a bad plannitory )

I contacted warranty lawyers...... They ignored me because " someone did not get killed, so not worth their time".......

The legendary transmission builder, Art Carr wanted to throw the defective parts through the dealer's window !!

 

[okfoz]

AFM started way way back in 2005, it was on the V8 5.3 Versions of the Trailblazer, Rainier, Envoy. My 2005 & 2006 Rainiers both had the AFM/DOD.

 

[mountie]

To add...... As per my GM warranty 'fine print', It says, "..... any return of a warranty repair, showing a continued same defect, ( The second return to dealer due to same problem)...

"The warranty will have no date or mileage limit until defect is resolved".
THAT is what they were avoiding!!

 

[Rocket Man]

AFM started way way back in 2005, it was on the V8 5.3 Versions of the Trailblazer, Rainier, Envoy. My 2005 & 2006 Rainiers both had the AFM/DOD.

I had to look that up, I didn’t believe it but you’re right. And in 2006 there were 6 SUV’s and 3 sedans with it, not sure which ones. I thought it didn’t start until 2007.

 

[wsteele]

I would be very surprised if the lawsuit is successful, at least from the standpoint of obtaining a recall. Not sure how they are going to prove any safety related issue as the engine will run with a collapsed DFM lifter. You are going to get a CEL and a miss from the bad cylinder, but the engine will keep running. Nobody is going to be stalled on a blind curve with a Freightliner bearing down on them.

My guess is GM might be willing to extend a blanket engine warranty on the fleet they know might contain the bad lifters (engine production dates to 3/5/2021), but I honestly think getting more than that will be a stretch.

 

[gooffeyguy]

GM perfected "planned obsolescence" a long time ago.
It's not a Ford.
It's designed to last about 10 years or 100,000 miles.
Or as long as the warranty permits.
You got to live somewhere dry, with no salt, or be a damned good mechanic and body man to keep it on the road past it's expiration date.
The road warriors that runs it on the interstate and just pound's the miles out of it doesn't count.

So why are you surprised that this issue developed now.

It was going to happen sooner or later anyways.

Just like the Cadillac and the Edsel and the Pinto, if you aren't satisfied, quit buying it.

Eventually it will get better or go out of business.
All mfg are having growing pains right now. They are all making junk.

And with all this, people are still paying over MSRP for vehicles right now, lol

 

[Stbentoak]

And with all this, people are still paying over MSRP for vehicles right now, lol

And if someone totaled yours today, or a string of Tornadoes came thru your community and scrapped your stuff out.... You would be too. You don't know everyone's situation........LOL

 

[gooffeyguy]

And if someone totaled yours today, or a string of Tornadoes came thru your community and scrapped your stuff out.... You would be too. You don't know everyone's situation........LOL

No I wouldn't, insurance would, lol.

But why would it have to be a brand new vehicle?

Truthfully though, I wouldn't buy a brand new one, especially the 2021 model year since it's a first year build and has bugs. Plus I would never spend that kind of money on a vehicle unless I had a crapload of it and nothing else to spend it on.

And a drunk driver ran a red light and t-***** my 2011 Denali 3 years ago and caused 22k in damage totalling it. I replaced it with the 2012 Denali

 

[swathdiver]

Or, I guess the lawyers could have not filed the lawsuit and GM could have just gone on putting defective parts into the cars and leaving it for the consumer do deal with later. I mean, I get the distaste for some lawyers, but do you think the average consumer could effect a major improvement to an industry without the help of class lawyers?

Yes! I reject the premise that GM will do nothing to improve the product. We know that they are actively working on it. There's that thing called Free Enterprise.

I'm also not of mind to let the government or anybody else solve problems that come my way, I give them to Jesus and he lights the way!

 

[okfoz]

AFM/DOD is designed to meet Federal regulations, for emissions and for fuel economy. Pure and simple. for around $100 you can have it disabled by a tuner, and be done with it.
The problem with DOD is the lifter collapses in on itself. After so many cycles, the lifter begins to wear and then it gets jammed. My 2006 Rainier V8 lost #1 intake, and I fixed it, cost me about $400 or so for gaskets and a reprogrammed ECM. I did it over a weekend, but the ECM took about a week to ship out and ship back.
I did have a Check Engine Light when it failed. I unplugged the injector because I thought it did not make sense to have fuel squirting into the cyl, which made things worse, then the trans would not shift correctly, so I plugged it back in.

 

[wsteele]

AFM/DOD is designed to meet Federal regulations, for emissions and for fuel economy. Pure and simple. for around $100 you can have it disabled by a tuner, and be done with it.
The problem with DOD is the lifter collapses in on itself. After so many cycles, the lifter begins to wear and then it gets jammed. My 2006 Rainier V8 lost #1 intake, and I fixed it, cost me about $400 or so for gaskets and a reprogrammed ECM. I did it over a weekend, but the ECM took about a week to ship out and ship back.
I did have a Check Engine Light when it failed. I unplugged the injector because I thought it did not make sense to have fuel squirting into the cyl, which made things worse, then the trans would not shift correctly, so I plugged it back in.

I think getting the PCM reflashed by a tuner to shut DOD/AFM down is a pretty good strategy. There are a few snags. On earlier models that don't have the locked PCM, the only problem is if you happen to take it to a shop that might do calibration updates as a matter of maintenance, perhaps without even telling the client, you run the risk of turning it back on without even knowing it, along with losing your tuned flash image.

Another snag is with my '21 Sierra AT4 (6.2L), the PCM is locked, so tuners can't just reflash it with DFM turned off. I think you can buy an unlocked PCM and with HP Tuners, get it shut off, but again, you still have the calibration update risk, along with quite a bit higher cost than just a refresh with AFM turned off (like $65) on earlier model years. There are inline tuning boxes you can install (Pulsar LT) and turn DFM off with that box, but it is a little more pricey and you probably will want to deinstall it if you are taking it to a dealer for warranty work.

 

[H1Chester]

And with all this, people are still paying over MSRP for vehicles right now, lol

and I am also getting well over what I thought I would on my trade in...

And if someone totaled yours today, or a string of Tornadoes came thru your community and scrapped your stuff out.... You would be too. You don't know everyone's situation........LOL

True...

No I wouldn't, insurance would, lol.

But why would it have to be a brand new vehicle?

Truthfully though, I wouldn't buy a brand new one, especially the 2021 model year since it's a first year build and has bugs. Plus I would never spend that kind of money on a vehicle unless I had a crapload of it and nothing else to spend it on.

And a drunk driver ran a red light and t-***** my 2011 Denali 3 years ago and caused 22k in damage totalling it. I replaced it with the 2012 Denali

Insurance is a business too, and although we pay it to cover us if something happens, they also are going to nickel and dime you.

 

[Stbentoak]

Also remember that insurance pay immediately depreciated ACV minus deductible... And doesn't pay to "replace" your vehicle or over sticker costs.
So, you could well be paying "over" sticker, without paying "over" sticker whatever year you buy new or used in today's market....

 

[gooffeyguy]

Depends on your policy and your insurance company.

Plus with most you don't have to accept the payout they first offer you.

 

[mountie]

Back in the day, I was an insurance investigator/independent adjuster...
I suggest the insured to gather for sale ads to show an average used vehicle price.
It actually works ( most of the time)