P0452, P0530, and P0651

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Long story short, I was having misfire issues. I replaced the crank and cam sensors which didn't change anything. I had a coolant leak from the quick connects out of the firewall for the heater core. That apparently damaged the ignition coil on cylinder 8. Replaced the coil and the engine ran great. However, now I have these codes and no AC.

P0452: Fuel Tank Pressure (FTP) Sensor Circuit Low Voltage
P0530: Air Conditioning (A/C) Refrigerant Pressure Sensor Circuit
P0651: 5 Volt Reference 2 Circuit

From what I was told, all three of these are on the same circuit on the PCM and they require a 5V reference circuit which can get grounded out. Is there a fuse for this circuit that I could have blown? I tried to trace the wires from the AC pressure sensor but it just wires into the big harness on top of the intake. I briefly looked to see if anything was grounding out by the starter since it was kind of hanging down when I replaced the crank sensor and reinstalling the starter requires moving around some of the wires around the oil pan. I'm not really sure what I'm looking for there though. I also replaced the cam sensor without removing the intake and had my hands in and out of the harness back there. I ran a camera back there but couldn't see anything unusual.

I also unplugged the AC pressure sensor and after clearing the codes, that code didn't come up again. But I still have the P0452 and P0651 after doing that. Not exactly sure what that tells me though.

Anyone have any advice for me or could tell me how to trace the 5V reference circuit (or even rewire it)?
 

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Please post your year, make, model, and engine for us. Some wiring changes have been made through the 2000-2006 NBS series.

Not the problem cause here, but any time a cam or crank sensor (or both) is changed, a CASE relearn should be done in order to avoid odd misfire codes in the future.

Below is the diagnostic path for P0651 for a 2004 5.3L. Use the links at the top of the page to find your specific vehicle's page for this code.

 
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Sorry. It's a 2004 Yukon Denali XL 1500. 6.0L LQ4.

I ran the crank relearn in Tech2.
 
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I have a feeling there’s a short by the starter somewhere. It used to turn right over every time. Now it takes a couple of tries to start it. So I’m having starting issues now as well.
 

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Long story short, I was having misfire issues. I replaced the crank and cam sensors which didn't change anything. I had a coolant leak from the quick connects out of the firewall for the heater core. That apparently damaged the ignition coil on cylinder 8. Replaced the coil and the engine ran great. However, now I have these codes and no AC.

P0452: Fuel Tank Pressure (FTP) Sensor Circuit Low Voltage
P0530: Air Conditioning (A/C) Refrigerant Pressure Sensor Circuit
P0651: 5 Volt Reference 2 Circuit

From what I was told, all three of these are on the same circuit on the PCM and they require a 5V reference circuit which can get grounded out. Is there a fuse for this circuit that I could have blown? I tried to trace the wires from the AC pressure sensor but it just wires into the big harness on top of the intake. I briefly looked to see if anything was grounding out by the starter since it was kind of hanging down when I replaced the crank sensor and reinstalling the starter requires moving around some of the wires around the oil pan. I'm not really sure what I'm looking for there though. I also replaced the cam sensor without removing the intake and had my hands in and out of the harness back there. I ran a camera back there but couldn't see anything unusual.

I also unplugged the AC pressure sensor and after clearing the codes, that code didn't come up again. But I still have the P0452 and P0651 after doing that. Not exactly sure what that tells me though.

Anyone have any advice for me or could tell me how to trace the 5V reference circuit (or even rewire it)?
if the coolant leak was bad enough to take out a coil it probably took out everything else below it, that includes the ac and starter
just speculation...
 
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if the coolant leak was bad enough to take out a coil it probably took out everything else below it, that includes the ac and starter
just speculation...

You could be right, but the AC was working fine when it was misfiring - up until after replacing the crank and cam sensors.
 

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You could be right, but the AC was working fine when it was misfiring - up until after replacing the crank and cam sensors.
how many miles on this vehicle?
and did you double your work to be sure you didn't accidentally disconnect anything
is the ac still holding pressure?
 

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I have a feeling there’s a short by the starter somewhere. It used to turn right over every time. Now it takes a couple of tries to start it. So I’m having starting issues now as well.
Your short is either the 5V reference at the AC Pressure Sensor or the Fuel Tank Pressure Sensor.

Solve this problem first (P0651) before doing anything else.
 
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If the document that @swathdiver posted is accurate for your system, then the 5v reference at the crank sensor could also be the cause. You were there...

Yeah. I think it has to be down there somewhere. And could be affecting or could have affected the starter somehow.

I'll have some time tomorrow to take a look at that.
 

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