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I have an 05 Z71 with just under 185k miles. I took her in this morning to find out what was going on with the front end after a few noises and lousy ride.

The estimate came to a total of $1549 and includes the following:

Shock/Strut Assembly x2 -
$116.96 labor and $581.92 parts

Ball Joint (Lower) x2 -
$436.77 (+$28.49 remove/replace skid plate interference)

Wheel Bearing x1
$199.40

Outer Tie Rod (both) -
$113.94

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They also mentioned my rear main seal is beginning to leak but did not provide an estimate for that. The Hoe is in decent condition but i've never had a higher mileage vehicle or suspension repairs for that matter. Any input would be greatly appreciated.. thanks in advance.

-Cody
 

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This is nutso. Stop taking your 14 year old truck to the dealer. You buy buy all of the parts yourself on amazon and ebay and have this work done at your local garage for about 1/4 of your estimate or less, and get better parts in many cases.

To me, one of the keys to keeping my truck on the road is buying cheap parts. Your estimate is half the value of the truck.
 

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You can get bilsteins for all 4 corners for half of what you got quoted.

As for lower ball joints I would recommnd replacing the entire control arm (I just did these yesterday. I used moog problem solvers) which will cost you less than what they quoted you for just ball joints and I have no clue what they were talking about with skid plates lol

Wheel hubs for $199 you get buy 2 timken wheel hubs on amazon

The price for the outer tie rods you can get inner and outer for that price.

And with all that money saved you can buy all the tools you need to do it yourself
 

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just to give you an idea of how much of a better deal you can get, all the front parts below have a 10yr warranty (not including the 4 shocks)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13pc-Compl...650068?hash=item23658dd814:g:oZgAAOSwbYZXa-uh

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BILSTEIN-2...224458&hash=item28337a05f9:g:rcgAAOSw-jhUL1Wm

only other thing you would need is the wheel hub

**those are a for a 2wd, 4wd would be a different listing but would be around the same price

Good prices but what's the quality for that susoe soon kit. Sure it has a 10 year warranty but that means you have to do the job again. I got a 1aauto kit for my tahoe and about 9 months or so later I had to do tierods again.
 

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Good prices but what's the quality for that susoe soon kit. Sure it has a 10 year warranty but that means you have to do the job again. I got a 1aauto kit for my tahoe and about 9 months or so later I had to do tierods again.
I haven't used it myself personally but other people have reported good things about it., when I had my nbs I piece mealed it over time never did it all in one shot
 

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@Tahoe5509327 I have to agree that the estimate you were given is not at all competitive with industry-wide pricing. On-par with dealer service and over-priced OEM replacement parts, catering to the uninformed individuals and corporate fleets.

unless this were a trusted business that you are familiar with, consider using internet resources to consult with 1 or 2 independents possessing a solid rating & satisfied customers. When using Google maps to search in my general location, I always check the reviews before further research on any 1 business. I have also used 'Yelp' in the past when verifying customer satisfaction with a given company.

I am personally very wary of auto repair facilities which is why I began collecting tools and technical resources several years back to DIY all auto repairs but I understand many people must utilize auto services sector.

I can only suggest researching the issue further if you want to be economical with your spending. We would be happy to help you with this and the whole direction as it somewhat involved.

I can tell you that front end noises & drivability issues diagnosed as faulty ball joints and tie-rods or hub bearing should be addressed promptly, especially in regard to protecting the tires as the failure of these parts will accelerate uneven wear patterns and negative consequences such as vibration & wandering even after the serviceable parts have been replaced.

Shocks & struts are very important not only to comfort but driveability & handling, too. Most consumers overlook the shocks or disregard its importance but its role applies to every single aspect of suspension & steering performance. Left unserviced, the harshness of the road degrades driver patience & comfort, wears on the tires, and compromises the frame and control arm interfaces. Somebody on a different forum posted a picture of the actual steel chassis ripped/elongated/bored-out due to excessive forces created on the vehicle from a faulty shock. Not good.

Safety is a major factor in your situation as well. A ball joint, wheel hub or tie rod can fail ultimately & completely. The devastation in a situation like this will really ruin your day. Not only that but risk to the general public comes into play when a failure occurs & you lose control of the vehicle. It can happen on the highway or turning out of WalMart, the front wheel seperates from the axle shaft, steering linkage or the knuckle ass'y, whereby your truck is made an uncontrollable weapon.

Finally, the oil seal is the least important. Keeping with the price point of your initial estimate, I would value the main seal replacement at the same place somewhere around $500. It doesn't sound like much & the replacement seal itself only costs $10 but the labor is intensive. The consequences of forgoing this service is a puddle of oil on your driveway and the need for checking the engine oil level more frequently. Some owners have neglected the rear main seal for years & even indefinitely because of the labor/down-time, but the motor oil level is more closely monitored as it is constantly being lost via the compromised seal. If you are the type who never opens the hood, this can be a problem as vigilance is required since the oil leak only worsens with time.

Keeping with the theme and position of other members, I would purchase the replacement parts and then have an independent garage perform the actual labor. It's still not the most cost-effective method, but I don't think that's what you are about. At least if you personally bought the parts, you know what is on the truck & you aren't getting double-billed on replacement parts. Any garage can order cheaply manufactured, bottom-$$ parts and then bill you for genuine/OEM. Been there done that. In your specific case, the level and sheer volume of parts/work called-for necessitates a level of detail/research unsurpassed by few things in that ultimately the benefits equal or outweigh the cost. I don't envy you, but with becoming more knowledgeable and informed, your choices will dictate wether repairs last the life of the vehicle and you are being treated fairly. Like I said, we can help if you are interested.
 
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I agree with everybody that those prices are way out of line. Shop around if you're not able to do the work yourself, but also keep in mind some shops won't install parts you supply due to the fact if they fail they don't want to be caught in the middle. Ask if you can purchase your own parts, and if that will affect the labor quotes.
 

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That is absolutely correct; you will need to consult with any business in regard to supplying your own replacement parts while the company is basically contracted for the labor. Some will work with you, others have a strict policy against it. i just know from experience I've had my ass handed to me on the price of replacement parts being marked up like 150% which is half the reason I began doing my own repairs. The other reason is I don't like people messing with (aka 'working on) my vehicles. Find grease and shit all over the interior, broken clips/fasteners. Nobody is going to respect your property more than yourself so might keep that in mind. Everybody is wanting to profit as much as possible, as quickly as possible. I'm not paranoid but I assume anybody is capable of hacks/shortcuts/scams. Where better to apply than the auto repair industry? Consumers aren't present to monitor the work, methods or products used.

I can't think of anything more important than my daily driven vehicle. Gotta be confident it's going to get me through traffic and to 'point-B' every single day. You should skim through all of the threads people post about auto repair and having bigger problems after the fact. I don't have time for that $hit. I got fed-up with being ripped off & jacked around so now I research everything & anything before giving up my hard earned money.
 
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^^^^One of the hardest things to find is an honest auto repair shop, they're unicorns. I had a shop that did me right a few times until he gained my confidence, then decided to rip me off. Now I do everything myself. I figure even if it takes special tools that aren't available at the loan-a-tool auto parts place and I have to buy them I'm still better off in the long run. I recently bought a Tech II clone for about $200 and wish I'd have got it sooner. I know my repairs/ mods/ upgrades are done right with quality parts.
 

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I just sold my '88 C2500 2wd. I kept it up, figuring I was going to keep it. UNTIL I found a 'MINT' 2005 Yukon XL 4wd. The last thing I did on the 390,000 mile truck was replacing the entire front end suspension / steering. ( Wow, made it like new!!)

I did a local search for a shop. I asked guys with nice trucks, and also discovered the local Sheriff Dept guys used the same place. It is a Truck accessory shop that caters to suspensions & Shells, etc.

My work was nearly all MOOG parts. I had all control arms( already complete w/ joints), sway bar bushings, steering completely replaced... etc.....

Anyway, I wasn't sure of the estimate, at first.... But checked the parts prices and they charged me LESS for the parts than a local O' Riley autoparts store would sell them to me!!

All said and done, the work was.... $500 in labor & 1,000 in parts.
 

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That is absolutely correct; you will need to consult with any business in regard to supplying your own replacement parts while the company is basically contracted for the labor. Some will work with you, others have a strict policy against it. i just know from experience I've had my ass handed to me on the price of replacement parts being marked up like 150% which is half the reason I began doing my own repairs. The other reason is I don't like people messing with (aka 'working on) my vehicles. Find grease and shit all over the interior, broken clips/fasteners. Nobody is going to respect your property more than yourself so might keep that in mind. Everybody is wanting to profit as much as possible, as quickly as possible. I'm not paranoid but I assume anybody is capable of hacks/shortcuts/scams. Where better to apply than the auto repair industry? Consumers aren't present to monitor the work, methods or products used.

I can't think of anything more important than my daily driven vehicle. Gotta be confident it's going to get me through traffic and to 'point-B' every single day. You should skim through all of the threads people post about auto repair and having bigger problems after the fact. I don't have time for that $hit. I got fed-up with being ripped off & jacked around so now I research everything & anything before giving up my hard earned money.



Agree completely. Honest recommendation is to replace the parts yourself, then take the truck in for an alignment and call it a day. You'll be hundreds ahead and proud of your work.

Personally, I've never found the elusive shop that will do repairs with parts you provide. I've called around over the past 30 years and the shops have always said "we can't stand behind work done with your parts". Did you notice how the parts are ~80% of the bill? It's because shops pay taxes at different rates on different items. Shops pay a ton more tax (plus social security, maybe benefits, etc) on labor vs parts, so they bury their profit in the parts to screw the technician while making obscene cash at the same time. I've found OEM parts on Amazon for 1/3 of what the shops quote for crap. It really pisses them off when you show them the cost. They usually just glare at you.

Remember there are three pillars to any job - Good, Fast and Cheap - Pick two. Unfortunately in auto repair I've always - ALWAYS found with EVERY shop that the Good and Cheap pillars are ignored.
 

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Agree completely. Honest recommendation is to replace the parts yourself, then take the truck in for an alignment and call it a day. You'll be hundreds ahead and proud of your work.

Personally, I've never found the elusive shop that will do repairs with parts you provide. I've called around over the past 30 years and the shops have always said "we can't stand behind work done with your parts". Did you notice how the parts are ~80% of the bill? It's because shops pay taxes at different rates on different items. Shops pay a ton more tax (plus social security, maybe benefits, etc) on labor vs parts, so they bury their profit in the parts to screw the technician while making obscene cash at the same time. I've found OEM parts on Amazon for 1/3 of what the shops quote for crap. It really pisses them off when you show them the cost. They usually just glare at you.

Remember there are three pillars to any job - Good, Fast and Cheap - Pick two. Unfortunately in auto repair I've always - ALWAYS found with EVERY shop that the Good and Cheap pillars are ignored.

Ahhh, the old quality, price, speed triangle. It's true in any business and I tell my customers honestly all the time. You can't have all 3.
 

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I will whole heartedly disagree with much of what has been said in this thread. I own a repair shop, and employ 3 ASE certified techs. Each tech earns about 60 to 65k a year, PLUS benefits. If you want your car fixed correctly by qualified technicians it will cost money. I would NEVER install a customers own parts, nor would you take your own bacon and eggs to McDonald’s and ask them to cook it for you and then complain about the price. This being said, I would consult friends and family about what shop they use, see if some independent shops in your area would be willing to look at the vehicle and give you an estimate. That way you’re making an educated decision. Dealers do tend to be more expensive because they have significantly higher overhead and independent shops do. That does NOT mean they are ripping you off, their price is simply higher to cover their cost and still make a profit. I do not run my business out of the goodwill of my heart, I run it to feed my family, and I have an obligation to my employees to help them feed theirs. I will say that I often See prices for Parts on Amazon and eBay that are significantly less than what I paid for them as a jobber. However, the vehicle will have significant downtime waiting for parts vs the 20 minutes the parts store will take to get them to me.
 

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I will whole heartedly disagree with much of what has been said in this thread. I own a repair shop, and employ 3 ASE certified techs. Each tech earns about 60 to 65k a year, PLUS benefits. If you want your car fixed correctly by qualified technicians it will cost money. I would NEVER install a customers own parts, nor would you take your own bacon and eggs to McDonald’s and ask them to cook it for you and then complain about the price. This being said, I would consult friends and family about what shop they use, see if some independent shops in your area would be willing to look at the vehicle and give you an estimate. That way you’re making an educated decision. Dealers do tend to be more expensive because they have significantly higher overhead and independent shops do. That does NOT mean they are ripping you off, their price is simply higher to cover their cost and still make a profit. I do not run my business out of the goodwill of my heart, I run it to feed my family, and I have an obligation to my employees to help them feed theirs. I will say that I often See prices for Parts on Amazon and eBay that are significantly less than what I paid for them as a jobber. However, the vehicle will have significant downtime waiting for parts vs the 20 minutes the parts store will take to get them to me.
With all that said,....can you honestly say that you dont up-charge on the parts that you provide ?
I own a business in the building trades,....there was a time when we could make 10-20% on materials,...but not any more,..materials have sky-rocketed!!!!.... to the point where I am more likely to get the job if I quote "labor only",.. and let the customer buy the materials. .....and in most cases the customer is shocked at the price of material.
 

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We charge 20% on parts, and that is MORE than fair. If you want to keep a good technician as an employee you must pay them a competitive wage. If I did not charge 20% markup on parts I could not employ them. They would simply move on to greener pastures. So yes to answer your question we charge a 20% markup on parts. Much like McDonald’s charges you 399 for a big Mac the cost times $.75 to make. The N number is always dictated by labor and expenses plus profit. That’s fair, and nothing about that constitute somebody being ripped off. I don’t own a business and take the risks associated with owning a business out of the goodness of my heart, I do it to feed my family and others. That’s the American way.
 

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....and thats why i do all my own work....originally jobber pricing was supposed to be 15-20% below what the general public could buy it for,...alowing the shop to make 20% on the parts,..but its no longer that way. Online distributors are beating jobber pricing,..and some even deliver in two days.
 

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....and thats why i do all my own work....originally jobber pricing was supposed to be 15-20% below what the general public could buy it for,...alowing the shop to make 20% on the parts,..but its no longer that way. Online distributors are beating jobber pricing,..and some even deliver in two days.

I'l wait the 2-5 days shipping and do it myself knowing exactly what parts are going on my car. Too many times have i seen lesser quality parts than what was good was being installed placed on my own or a friend/family members car because a shop wanted to make "an honest living"
 
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