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Wrap your head around this: Storing the energy equivalent of one barrel of oil, which weighs 300 pounds and costs $81.00 requires 20,000 pounds of EV batteries that cost $200,000. Now imagine how much mining we have to do in order make 20,000 pounds of battery. #GreenEnergyI’m not so sure. OEMs are being forced into electric and other alternative fuel power trains by regulators in other countries. Several OEMs have announced that they will be totally electrified by 2030 while others have indicated that they will have a substantial portion of their fleet electrified. The bottom line is that China and the EU and Great Britain are all pushing ahead.
As far as battery costs, I believe that they will come down in price as we get to the out years. Hybrid batteries now cost a few thousand to a max of $6K to replace if out of the 8 year 100K mile warranty. This is far cheaper than when I bought my first hybrid 11 years ago. That car required a battery replacement out the gate and the warranty cost was almost $9K.
As I said above, I am not sure what I am ultimately going to do. I like my Suburban a lot. I just don‘t know if I want to replace it with a Lightning or a Silverado EV. And as far as tossing a rock in my pond, I don’t think so. You have your opinion and I respect that. You also provide a potentially valid point regarding cost and what the life expectancy will be.
Wrap your head around this: Storing the energy equivalent of one barrel of oil, which weighs 300 pounds and costs $81.00 requires 20,000 pounds of EV batteries that cost $200,000. Now imagine how much mining we have to do in order make 20,000 pounds of battery. #GreenEnergy
Many of you think "green energy" drops out of a unicorns ass. It doesn't, it takes a great deal of mining. If it wasn't for TRECs, RECs, ROCs or simply Green Certificates (your tax dollars) "green" would never be made. It's a scam to steal your money. Not save the planet.
Oh and all this ignores that you’ve got to get that energy from somewhere which will cost something and have an additional environmental impact.
Fix it and it’s still not a lot better, that battery can take maybe a 1,000 charges before it starts to seriously deteriorate, so that’s $80k of oil or 300k lbs. vs those batteries take 10 million lbs of earth mined to create. Li-ion batteries just can’t get you to green goals.
Looks great, what year and did you buy used? I sold mine just like if and have regretted itLove mine. Added the big brake package. The corsa exhaust expel film protection. Ceramic coating and hand painted pinstripes .
Wrap your head around this: Storing the energy equivalent of one barrel of oil, which weighs 300 pounds and costs $81.00 requires 20,000 pounds of EV batteries that cost $200,000. Now imagine how much mining we have to do in order make 20,000 pounds of battery. #GreenEnergy
Many of you think "green energy" drops out of a unicorns ass. It doesn't, it takes a great deal of mining. If it wasn't for TRECs, RECs, ROCs or simply Green Certificates (your tax dollars) "green" would never be made. It's a scam to steal your money. Not save the planet.
Oh and all this ignores that you’ve got to get that energy from somewhere which will cost something and have an additional environmental impact.
Fix it and it’s still not a lot better, that battery can take maybe a 1,000 charges before it starts to seriously deteriorate, so that’s $80k of oil or 300k lbs. vs those batteries take 10 million lbs of earth mined to create. Li-ion batteries just can’t get you to green goals.
You cannot prove electric cars are truly better for the environment any more than someone else can prove they aren’t. You can take an ICE car and put a sniffer in the tail pipe and read the emissions output. You can’t do that with an electric car because the emissions are elsewhere and spread out over multiple locations and it different depending on where the car came from and where it is now.
Most people who push electric cars are or come off as holier than thou elitists who wouldn’t change their mind even if you did have facts to prove the opposite of what they think and that never leads to productive conversation.
I believe electric cars are much more about changing the lighting connector to USB-C so you keep up the good consumerism and have to buy a new car when you don’t need one. People have already been very well conditioned that they need a brand new car every 3 years and not to bother taking care of it any more so there aren’t any good used cars to buy either. I think it’s all about the money and nothing more.
Yes, yes. Argument #A-4: EVs are no better than ICEs because the sources of the energy upstream are still dirty.
#1: Fossil fuels as used in ICEs are by far the dirtiest source of energy we use today, except a nuclear reactor if it melts down.
#2: No power grid I'm aware of in the world creates power by burning gasoline. There's coal, which isn't super clean but isn't nearly as bad. That's the bulk of it in 2023.
#3: A fleet of EVs will be ready to accept power, over time, from whatever source we develop. Wind, waves, hydrogen, solar, nuclear, whatever it ends up being.
The other issue people bring up is the battery situation. Are lithium batteries bad for the environment? In a word, yes. We need to improve upon that technology a lot to be able to confidently move away from ICEs. That said, even right now the overall environmental impact of an EV, even with a lithium battery, is objectively seen as lower than an equivalent ICE vehicle over its lifetime. So if we can improve upon the weak points, it gets even better.
Here's a good and very balanced article on this from AAA. I choose this article because based on the source and content I can't envision how anyone would be able to discredit it out of hand. You guys will probably try anyway.
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Are Electric Car Batteries Bad for the Environment?
Everyone knows about the clean aspects of electric car batteries, but there are a number of environmentally harmful ones that need to be addressed.magazine.northeast.aaa.com