Future 2020/21 Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban

[GTNator]

You’re comparing decade old models.

Here’s info on the new one.

https://www.caranddriver.com/review...pace-and-storage-review-car-and-driver-page-7

I know you have a shorty, so this probably wont apply to you...but.

When comparing the Expy Max to the Suburban/Yukon XL, if cargo space behind the 3rd row seat is important to you, the GM vehicles are way better. The official stats say the rear storage is only about 3 inches longer in the GM, but in actual real world use its a lot more. I looked at the Expy Max rear cargo area (behind 3rd row), and the floor bows out towards the rear...its actually rounded. So when they take the measurement for the Expy, they take them from the deepest part of the rear storage (from against the 3rd row seat in the middle, straight back to the outer most curved area by the license plate). However, on the GM the floor is pretty much straight across, so you get all those extra inches of usable space, everywhere. So the way I measured it is from the sides; and when you do that, the Expy Max is a good 6.5 inches shorter in rear storage space. That's a lot!

If you compare them side by side, its so obvious the Expy Max's rear storage is noticeably smaller. SO if you actually use the third row like I do, the Expy Max is too small, at least it is for our family's road trips.

 

[swathdiver]

I know you have a shorty, so this probably wont apply to you...but.

When comparing the Expy Max to the Suburban/Yukon XL, if cargo space behind the 3rd row seat is important to you, the GM vehicles are way better. The official stats say the rear storage is only about 3 inches longer in the GM, but in actual real world use its a lot more. I looked at the Expy Max rear cargo area (behind 3rd row), and the floor bows out towards the rear...its actually rounded. So when they take the measurement for the Expy, they take them from the deepest part of the rear storage (from against the 3rd row seat in the middle, straight back to the outer most curved area by the license plate). However, on the GM the floor is pretty much straight across, so you get all those extra inches of usable space, everywhere. So the way I measured it is from the sides; and when you do that, the Expy Max is a good 6.5 inches shorter in rear storage space. That's a lot!

If you compare them side by side, its so obvious the Expy Max's rear storage is noticeably smaller. SO if you actually use the third row like I do, the Expy Max is too small, at least it is for our family's road trips.

It also weighs 385 pounds more than the comparable Suburban/Yukon XL.

 

[cardude2000]

Protect the queen protect the queen!


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[GTNator]

2019, Blacked out version, + 6.2l in SLT, nice!

GMC Yukon Gets Murdered-Out Graphite Editions
https://carbuzz.com/news/gmc-yukon-gets-murdered-out-graphite-editions

 

[chicagofan00]

2019, Blacked out version, + 6.2l in SLT, nice!

GMC Yukon Gets Murdered-Out Graphite Editions
https://carbuzz.com/news/gmc-yukon-gets-murdered-out-graphite-editions

The RST package for the Yukon line. Silly that they didn’t just do this right along side the RST announcement and release.

 

[GTNator]

2020 Cadillac Escalade Could Have Some Interesting Engine Options

https://carbuzz.com/news/2020-cadillac-escalade-could-have-some-interesting-engine-options

I bet Denali gets the same, whatever it is.

 

[rumline]

Interesting, but I bet for towing the 6.2 is still going to be best overall, just like Ford's 5.0 is better for towing than the ecoboost. Yeah the ecoboost has moar powar but drinks gas when pulling a giant sail behind it.

Edit: forgot to say I hope one of the engine choices is the inline 6 diesel from the Silverado 1500. Maybe that won't make it in the Caddy but hopefully in Tahoe / Yukon.

 

[MichaelSE]

Yes, others here have referenced that site and others before...IRS appears to be coming. For most people, IRS in SUVs adds value, according to recent statements made by GM. All of GM’s competitors already have it.

What will you miss if they go with IRS? It shouldn’t affect towing, the Expedition does fine towing with IRS.
Do you do hard core off roading?

I guess to me, the IRS is a concession I'm afraid could lead to future concessions. The last thing I want is for the Tahoe/Suburban to become more crossover-esque. The next generation might add IRS only, but the next after that might bring softer styling, a lower ride height, and Heaven forbid, AWD only with no two-speed transfer case option. It's just my personal opinion, but I believe half ton pickup and SUV platforms should be identical.

Also, it just doesn't make much sense - if GM wants to do it to be more class competitive in terms of cargo volume, fair -- but do the Tahoe/Yukon really suffer in sales compared to the Expedition/Armada/Sequoia, even with a lower cargo volume? No, GM beats them all in sales. Why not stick with what works?

 

[swathdiver]

I guess to me, the IRS is a concession I'm afraid could lead to future concessions. The last thing I want is for the Tahoe/Suburban to become more crossover-esque. The next generation might add IRS only, but the next after that might bring softer styling, a lower ride height, and Heaven forbid, AWD only with no two-speed transfer case option. It's just my personal opinion, but I believe half ton pickup and SUV platforms should be identical.

Also, it just doesn't make much sense - if GM wants to do it to be more class competitive in terms of cargo volume, fair -- but do the Tahoe/Yukon really suffer in sales compared to the Expedition/Armada/Sequoia, even with a lower cargo volume? No, GM beats them all in sales. Why not stick with what works?

The GMT900 SUVs have a larger carrying capacity than all of those. Next thing they'll be sticking twin turbo V6s in them...

 

[GTNator]

The GMT900 SUVs have a larger carrying capacity than all of those. Next thing they'll be sticking twin turbo V6s in them...

Worse, I heard ; cylinder turbo may be an option...


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[swathdiver]

Worse, I heard ; cylinder turbo may be an option...

How's that?

 

[GTNator]

How's that?

I can’t remember which article it was, probably one of the ones in this thread somewhere...I read that a 4 cylinder turbo may be one of the engine options for Suburban. I hope it’s not true.


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[swathdiver]

I can’t remember which article it was, probably one of the ones in this thread somewhere...I read that a 4 cylinder turbo may be one of the engine options for Suburban. I hope it’s not true.

https://www.trucks.com/2018/05/18/gm-turbocharged-engine-silverado-1500/

There it is. Lots of power but when not under boost it's still a four cylinder. Back in the day our Buick Grand Nationals made gobs of horsepower and tons of torque. And yet, GM saw the wisdom to not put that engine in trucks or increase their tow ratings as they were still 120 HP V6s when not under boost.

Well, we shall see.

 

[WillCO]

https://www.trucks.com/2018/05/18/gm-turbocharged-engine-silverado-1500/

There it is. Lots of power but when not under boost it's still a four cylinder. Back in the day our Buick Grand Nationals made gobs of horsepower and tons of torque. And yet, GM saw the wisdom to not put that engine in trucks or increase their tow ratings as they were still 120 HP V6s when not under boost.

Well, we shall see.

Yep. I think we all are going to have to suspend disbelief a little on these smaller turbocharged engines. A little.

The B48 4-cylinder motor BMW has begun to use in its lower-priced sedans is a marvel - it pulls hard and sounds good. No torque issues. They get the 3 series with that engine from 0-60 in 5.5 seconds, which is about the same as the top of the line V8 5 series did in 2005 (I had one). You really have to think hard about whether you need the 6 cylinder upgrade.

But those are sedans, unlikely to see sustained work duty.

Volvo has gone to 4-cylinder engines across its line now. Great cars by all reports. But I live in Colorado. I might be paranoid, but there's still no chance I'm pulling a trailer over Wolf Creek Pass in a 4300 pound vehicle powered by a 2 liter engine with two turbochargers. Too much heat.

I do think the Ford 6 cylinder ecoboost engines are on the right side of that line, though. With turbochargers in general, figure that every semi you pass has one and plans to run it for 200,000 miles. You do need a certain amount of displacement and heat management though.

 

[swathdiver]

Yep. I think we all are going to have to suspend disbelief a little on these smaller turbocharged engines. A little.

The B48 4-cylinder motor BMW has begun to use in its lower-priced sedans is a marvel - it pulls hard and sounds good. No torque issues. They get the 3 series with that engine from 0-60 in 5.5 seconds, which is about the same as the top of the line V8 5 series did in 2005 (I had one). You really have to think hard about whether you need the 6 cylinder upgrade.

But those are sedans, unlikely to see sustained work duty.

Volvo has gone to 4-cylinder engines across its line now. Great cars by all reports. But I live in Colorado. I might be paranoid, but there's still no chance I'm pulling a trailer over Wolf Creek Pass in a 4300 pound vehicle powered by a 2 liter engine with two turbochargers. Too much heat.

I do think the Ford 6 cylinder ecoboost engines are on the right side of that line, though. With turbochargers in general, figure that every semi you pass has one and plans to run it for 200,000 miles. You do need a certain amount of displacement and heat management though.

I'm not against turbos by any means, spent many years racing them. A big rig inline 6 with a turbo is great. They are using technology to mitigate heat and run smaller displacements.

Whenever GM introduces a new model of whatever, they usually give folks a lot of options and pare them down a year or three later as the market tells them what it wants.

 

[PG01]

And again i say

 

[GTNator]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/2020-chevrolet-tahoe-rear-suspension-spied


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[swathdiver]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/2020-chevrolet-tahoe-rear-suspension-spied

More complexity and more to go wrong and fix.

 

[fiatdale]

Cam bolts on the LCA look terrible from behind. Id like to hear @NORCAL SS thoughts on slamming these with Independent Rear.

 

[Kpwweb]

Why do they look like Fords? If you look at the grill of the Suburban in the sister story, it even has a Ford badge?!?

That rear suspension looks like Ford as well. And Dual Exhaust straight out the back?

I am thinking that isn't quite what we will see in production yet...