BREAKING: GM is officially recalling the L87

[Antonm]

WTF are the CAFE requirements that everyone is talking about that can only be met using 0-20 oil. Does using 0-40 or 5-30 screw up your MPG’s that badly while providing extra protection?

According to the ever helpful Google AI search, GM sells 899,000 full size pickups and 278,000 full size SUV's every year. So around around 1.1 million full size trucks & SUVs every year total.

If you can make even a small difference in that many vehicles, then your Corporate Average Fuel Economy (which is what CAFE stands for) is helped a lot.

Its not like GM is evil or wants to this crap, they're forced to, they have to meet the numbers or they get fined/ can't sell vehicles in the US. So they go to extreme measures to get every little bit of fuel milage they can out of their big sellers/ things that will actually impact their CAFE number.
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[Antonm]

If this becomes reality i’m taking bets

What's the bet on?

There is fact /physics, and there is what our misinformed Russian thinks ,,, bets typically involve outcomes that are not known and not pre-determined, that is not the case here.
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[jfoj]

The unfortunately problem for GM is Light Trucks are far more desirable than the sub compact line up like the small Buicks and Chevrolets.

 

[OR VietVet]

CAFE, standing for Corporate Average Fuel Economy, does mean that the manufacturer vehicles for a year have to have a combined average MPG economy, over their entire vehicle line.....correct? Not just trucks have to be one average and SUV's another average and so on.

 

[the 18th letter]

According to the ever helpful Google AI search, GM sells 899,000 full size pickups and 278,000 full size SUV's every year. So around around 1.1 million full size trucks & SUVs total.

If you can make even a small difference in that many vehicles, then your Corporate Average Fuel Economy (which is what CAFE stands for) is helped a lot.

Its not like GM is evil or wants to this crap, they're forced to, they have to meet the numbers or they get fined/ can't sell vehicles in the US. So they go to extreme measures to get every little bit of fuel milage they can out of their big sellers/ things that will actually impact there CAFE number.
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The google AI was the ticket, thorough explanation. Thanks

 

[jfoj]

CAFE, standing for Corporate Average Fuel Economy, does mean that the manufacturer vehicles for a year have to have a combined average MPG economy, over their entire vehicle line.....correct? Not just trucks have to be one average and SUV's another average and so on.

Correct.

This is why some manufacturers may have limited high fuel consumption models so they can meet the CAFE requirements.

This is the kind of crap the non techies put us through!! A 50.4 combined MPG for 2031!!! This is not achievable with what people want to drive. This was to try and force electric vehicles down everyone's throat whether they wanted them or not.

I mean the US was dying on the sword for the rest of the world. Overall out fleet is likely the cleanest in the world, short of micro cars in some European countries. While our larger vehicles may use more fuel, but this due to the weight and size, they are very clean compared to the fleets in many countries.

Under the current administration, I believe we will see more realistic numbers.

"The Biden administration's finalized CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards for 2035 set a target of 35 miles per gallon (mpg) for heavy-duty pickup trucks and vans according to the Environmental Defense Fund. For passenger cars and light trucks, the target is 50.4 mpg in 2031, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). These standards are part of a larger initiative to improve fuel efficiency and reduce emissions, aiming to displace 70 billion gallons of gasoline and prevent over 710 metric tons of CO2 emissions by 2050, says S&P Global. "

 

[OR VietVet]

Correct.

This is why some manufacturers may have limited high fuel consumption models so they can meet the CAFE requirements.

This is the kind of crap the non techies put us through!! A 50.4 combined MPG for 2031!!! This is not achievable with what people want to drive. This was to try and force electric vehicles down everyone's throat whether they wanted them or not.

I mean the US was dying on the sword for the rest of the world. Overall out fleet is likely the cleanest in the world, short of micro cars in some European countries. While our larger vehicles may use more fuel, but this due to the weight and size, they are very clean compared to the fleets in many countries.

Under the current administration, I believe we will see more realistic numbers.

"The Biden administration's finalized CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards for 2035 set a target of 35 miles per gallon (mpg) for heavy-duty pickup trucks and vans according to the Environmental Defense Fund. For passenger cars and light trucks, the target is 50.4 mpg in 2031, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). These standards are part of a larger initiative to improve fuel efficiency and reduce emissions, aiming to displace 70 billion gallons of gasoline and prevent over 710 metric tons of CO2 emissions by 2050, says S&P Global. "

This will drive the used vehicle sales and drive their prices up.

 

[jfoj]

This will drive the used vehicle sales and drive their prices up.

Except the 6.2l GM's are now probably the ugly step child nobody wants to touch!

If I could find a rust free 2005 Yukon XL in good shape with under 150k miles I would probably buy these all day long!!!

 

[PPV_2018]

What's the bet on?

There is fact /physics, and there is what our misinformed Russian thinks ,,, bets typically involve outcomes that are not known and not pre-determined, that is not the case here.
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When the phrase parking lot was mentioned, thought less scientific discussion and more fisticuffs

which would go more in line with the betting parameters you described …

Just an attempt at humor, don’t mind me

 

[Vladimir2306]

If this becomes reality i’m taking bets

I got bored... Everyone makes a decision for himself, and draws conclusions for himself. But I believe that if someone in the public space advises people to violate the manufacturer's recommendations, he should be responsible for the consequences of his advice. In Russia, we communicate with services who disassemble, assemble and repair engines, we do not have GM here, or a warranty, we have services that are forced to look for solutions on their own how to prevent breakdowns. Unfortunately, the 5th generation is much weaker in terms of resource than the 4th, and the engine is far from the biggest problem. We already have cases of automatic transmission failure, or when the rear gearbox jams at a speed of 150 km/h and the wheels are blocked