5.3 vs 6.2 octane

[MT Elk Hunter]

Hello All,

I'm an owner of a 2010 Tahoe with 185,000 (middle aged!) and will be upgrading in the next 3-4 months to a new-to-me model. Probably a 2017-2018 Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade. I have a 23 ft boat that I travel with 6-7 times a year plus other trailers many time. The 5.3 does good enough but it does work hard. An Escalade (Denali too) is interesting to me since the 6.2 comes standard.

Question, it seems many web pages/articles indicate the 6.2 needs 92 octane to run properly. Who has experience here?

Is this true?? Please share thoughts.

I ran an 07 Denali XL for ten years until I bought my 2017 Denali XL pulling a 28' trailer for my race car, golf cart... I find that 93 octane works best for me, especially in hotter weather. I also use less gas trailering on higher octane, especially when I am running at highway speeds. For my last two purchases, I passed on buying Escalades since their larger diameter rims and small sidewalls are not preferred if towing heavy. On my 2017, I ordered the 20" wheels. For both I have run low octane fuel in mild to cold weather and have never had a problem. BTW, only ******* my race vehicles.

 

[mountie]

I like Intheburbs answer.

I ran a dyno in Denver at high altitude. Several absolutes were clear.

In a normally aspirated engine, meaning no turbo or supercharging...
Your octane requirements go down about one point for every 1,000 feet above sea level. If you need 91 at SL, 85 runs the same in Denver.
Run the lowest octane fuel that your engine doesn't detonate on if energy and wallet efficiency matters to you. High octane fuel isn't better fuel, it could be argued just the opposite. It has more additives to resist detonation, and it burns slower. Lower octane burns faster and creates more energy IF the engine can peacefully exist, which at high altitude is virtually always. The argument that 85 octane makes more power than 93 is true-ish, but that's an oversimplification. The tradeoff for high octane burning slower than low octane is a tiny bit less explosive power, but you would never feel it.

We had a dirt bike dyno, and would measure bikes with great smelling 104 octane race gas in the CRF450R, and they would make 2 hp less than 91 octane pump gas. I raced MX for 25 years, and always said that if you want to go faster, twist the throttle. Those bikes make more power than mortals can use.

If you are towing a heavy trailer up the mountains, more octane doesn't hurt for that tank as an extra dissipator of heat. The higher altitude of the mountains, and warmer summer air actually reduces your octane requirements even more, but when you are on the gas non stop on long hills, more octane gives you a cheap source of additional margin.

Your story reminds me when our F-1 Tunnel Boat had the modified Mercury V-6 outboard. ( 300HP)..
I learned adding a percentage of regular unleaded gas to the race fuel made more HP.
( An NHRA funny car tuner gave us the trick )....

 

[BG1988]

This is straight out of the owner's manual for my 6.2 Sierra Denali (2009):



Yes, it says you can use 87. I don't. Why? Because the 6.2 is a "high-compression" engine that inherently needs higher-octane gas. And frankly, I don't trust the knock sensors and the computer to be able to adjust the timing well enough to fully control knock/ping. The manual even says that, you might hear a "slight" knock. Using 91+ octane gas is, IMHO, cheap insurance against possible engine/piston damage.

That, plus the fact that when I floor the throttle, I want all 400 ponies present and accounted for.

I'm actually tempted to take it to the other extreme and run E85 in it. If I'm willing to tolerate the abysmal mileage and limited range (10 MPG with a 26-gallon tank), E85 has an effective octane rating over 100.

i only need 80HP electrical motor.. they totally under rated it's capability more then likely it's 100-120HP electrical motor

just like they under rated the HP for the 6.0L LS2 based engine how stupid do you think I am GM

LS2 engines are rated to 390-395HP/400 ft./lbs.

yet it's been downgraded to "332HP" 367 ft./lbs.
the H-ECM is locked out (encrypted) No free HP

 

[gooffeyguy]

You will make more hp on higher octane fuel if you tune for it. It allows you to run more timing. Also, E85 runs cooler.

I can tell the difference in just the exhaust sound on startup which fuel I'm running, especially when remote starting while walking up behind it. 93 octane sounds normal, E85 sounds like I have an aftermarket exhaust and headers.

2001 Yukon SLT
2012 Yukon Denali XL
2011 Yukon Denali RIP 5/20/18

 

[mikeyss]

Living here in Colorado, I only use E85 in my 6.2. It has more power, but sometimes it takes 2 - 3 extra seconds of cranking to get the engine started.

 

[Black Limited]

I'm sorry, but if you're going to buy a premium vehicle that has an engine that requires premium fuel to keep it from pinging or whatever... Than don't be a cheap ass and use the wrong fuel for it because you can't afford it. Don't buy a vehicle that you can't afford to operate properly. I LOVE escalades, but I didn't buy one because I know I can't afford some of the higher end stuff that would eventually break, like the MRC suspension. It really gets me that people buy a 6.2 that is meant to be a upgrade compared to a garden variety 5.3, and then treat it like it's a 5.3 and claim it's ok. High compression engines require better fuel, no matter if you're towing or not. Why buy a premium engine/vehicle if you're gonna just trash it by using inferior shit to keep running it? If you want to use 87 octane in a 6.2, knowing it's gonna make WAY less power because it's adjusting for the shit fuel.... Then why not just buy a 5.3?

Nothing like sugar coating it...…………...but the truth !!!!

 

[Black Limited]

Living here in Colorado, I only use E85 in my 6.2. It has more power, but sometimes it takes 2 - 3 extra seconds of cranking to get the engine started.

Your mileage is probably lower also...………...

 

[mikeyss]

Your mileage is probably lower also...………...

I do 90% city driving, I don't notice the mileage difference between E85 and 91 octane. I haven't reset my fuel mileage thing in a long time, and it stays at 10mpg. I think it does a bit better, but I let mine idle for at least 5 mins before I go anywhere. I have the infamous 6.2 piston slap, but after 5 mins it goes away. That idle time chomps into my actual fuel mileage.

 

[swathdiver]

Your mileage is probably lower also...………...

For a buck thirty a gallon, who cares? LOL

Cents per mile, if the price is right, it pays to burn the stuff. It's also good for the fuel system and the motors love it.

 

[gooffeyguy]

For a buck thirty a gallon, who cares? LOL

Cents per mile, if the price is right, it pays to burn the stuff. It's also good for the fuel system and the motors love it.

Mine is much more peppier throughout the entire rpm range when on E85

 

[gooffeyguy]

I would! We have E85 for $1.35, my wife apologized for letting the mileage drop and I said who cares, we can fill the whole truck up for less then forty bucks! That last tank delivered about 10.5 MPG and cost just thirteen cents a mile which is this truck's record low. E85 is good for the motor and injectors, cleans them up.

Didn't have enough fuel on board to run down south yesterday so we refilled a little early with E15 on top of the E85 and still averaged 16 MPG @ 75 MPH. That should bust the thirteen cent record nicely!

If you run a couple tanks of E85, it will get up to full strength and the computer will adapt to it, even the transmission.

Around here, E85 prices haven't dropped as much as the others have.

Currently, E85 is $1.60 and 93 octane is $1.88. I wish E85 was $1.35

2001 Yukon SLT
2012 Yukon Denali XL
2011 Yukon Denali RIP 5/20/18

 

[swathdiver]

Around here, E85 prices haven't dropped as much as the others have.

Currently, E85 is $1.60 and 93 octane is $1.88. I wish E85 was $1.35

It's .83 cents a gallon over in Searcy, Arkansas and $1.19 over in Washington west of you. Ninety cents in La Bell, MO. Dollar or less in Dallas, Texas.

If 93 was that cheap over here, I'd use that! That would give me .10 to .12 cents a mile.

Took on E15 the other day for 1.80 and that will deliver a little over .11 cents a mile for mixed driving, not bad either and breaks my all-time record by 2 cents a gallon.

 

[gooffeyguy]

It's .83 cents a gallon over in Searcy, Arkansas and $1.19 over in Washington west of you. Ninety cents in La Bell, MO. Dollar or less in Dallas, Texas.

If 93 was that cheap over here, I'd use that! That would give me .10 to .12 cents a mile.

Took on E15 the other day for 1.80 and that will deliver a little over .11 cents a mile for mixed driving, not bad either and breaks my all-time record by 2 cents a gallon.

LaBell is 2.5hrs away and Washington is an hour. I'm sure all the gas prices are cheaper in the more rural areas. Cheapest I've found E85 around here is at a Phillip's 66 about 10 miles away in St. Charles county @$1.55. The Mobile station about 2 miles away is currently $1.69

Damn suburbia!

2001 Yukon SLT
2012 Yukon Denali XL
2011 Yukon Denali RIP 5/20/18

 

[Joseph Garcia]

In NH, 87 is down to $1.99, but 93 is still up around $2.69. We seem to be significantly higher than all of you, and we have no E85 here.

 

[swathdiver]

In NH, 87 is down to $1.99, but 93 is still up around $2.69. We seem to be significantly higher than all of you, and we have no E85 here.

I found one Joe! Enfield, NH Kenoco, $2.99 a gallon for E85! LOL

 

[Joseph Garcia]

I found one Joe! Enfield, NH Kenoco, $2.99 a gallon for E85! LOL

Ha!!!!! Well, it is good to know that there is at least one station in NH. Unfortunately, it is a 1 hr and 35 minute commute from my home.

 

[HACK BLOCK]

recommended means you should and required means you have to

 

[1BADI5]

E85 is running around 2.08 -2.10 here in Maryland

 

[BG1988]

I found one Joe! Enfield, NH Kenoco, $2.99 a gallon for E85! LOL

they must have bought that shipment at the peak of prices

 

[BG1988]

For a buck thirty a gallon, who cares? LOL

Cents per mile, if the price is right, it pays to burn the stuff. It's also good for the fuel system and the motors love it.

really 87 oct cost more per miles then 91

City:
23MPG $3.099 = 0.134 for 91
18.5MPG = $2.899 = 0.156 for 87



Hyw
31.2MPG (hypermiling "trying hard if I leave early i can take the rural route ") 0.099¢ for 91 octane

barely hypermiling 26MPG = 0.12¢ for 91 octane going 70-90mph
18.5MPG = $2.899 = 0.156¢ for 87 (hypermiling does not work with 87oct as it will run v8 only or 'hyper cycle' the AFM to "death")....


I going to do some Aero mods soon to try and get the 40MPG HYW

it should improve the city to 26-30mpg or so as well.. well do as good or better then a Geo Metro

1992 Geo Metro LSI 3 cyl, 1.0 L, Automatic 3-spd
City MPG:31
Highway MPG:35