Three things I don't understand on current generation Suburban

[Suburban2024]

1. The fascia. Slant-eye shape headlights with two long beard underneath on each side. Someone may prefer this design, but it looks weird to me personally.
2. Third row windows position. They are significantly higher than the front and middle windows. Why? Isn't nobody in GMC/Chevy able to see the design is ugly? Or the engineers were just over-lazy in pandemic era?
3. Third tow pillars are over-large. They simply make anyone on third row seats have no side windows to use. Has anyone from GM ever sit on third row seats in any Ford Expedition max?

Now I am praying that GM will adopt 2023 Silverado 1500 fascia and its infotainment design onto 2024 Suburban. For third row windows and pillars problem, I am not expecting GM engineers, who are obviously lacking engineering aesthetics training, to do anything so soon because it seems mission impossible for them.

How Toyota and Ford train their engineers? 2023 Sequoia and Expedition Max look both beautiful.

 

[Suburban2024]

1. The fascia. Slant-eye shape headlights with two long beard underneath on each side. Someone may prefer this design, but it looks weird to me personally.
2. Third row windows position. They are much higher than the front and middle windows. Why? Isn't nobody in GMC/Chevy able to see the design is ugly? Or the engineers were just over-lazy in pandemic era?
3. Third tow pillars are over-large. They simply makes anyone seating on third row seats have no side windows to use. Has anyone from GM ever sit on third row seats in any Ford Expedition max?

Now I am praying that GM will adopt 2023 Silverado 1500 fascia and its infotainment design onto 2024 Suburban. For third row windows and pillars problem, I am not expecting GM engineers, who are obviously lacking engineering aesthetics training, to do anything so soon because it seems mission impossible for them.

How Toyota and Ford train their engineers? 2023 Sequoia and Expedition Max look both beautiful.

Forgot to mention the most ugly fascia I've ever seen in my life is on 2022/2023 Silverado HD. The design is even more ugly than the fascia of Lexus 570. It makes me think GM engineers may come from a foreign planet, where the intelligent creature has completely different view of aesthetics from what human being on earth has. I read GM Authority and someone said 2024 Suburban will use the fascia from 2023 Silverado HD. I am praying it won't come true.

 

[Doubeleive]

the pillars have been changed because of federal safety requirements in case of roll over, each generation has more stringent rules

 

[Suburban2024]

the pillars have been changed because of federal safety requirements in case of roll over, each generation has more stringent rules

Thank you for your reply. But why 2023 Sequoia and Expedition Max both look fine? I believe Toyota and Ford have to follow the same rule from federal DOT.

 

[Doubeleive]

Thank you for your reply. But why 2023 Sequoia and Expedition Max both look fine? I believe Toyota and Ford will follow the same rule from federal DOT.

not sure, maybe the don't weigh as much

 

[Baja_Bob]

GM is cutting jobs to save money, some of these jobs are engineers that are in charge of vehicle design and safety.

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

1. The fascia. Slant-eye shape headlights with two long beard underneath on each side. Someone may prefer this design, but it looks weird to me personally.
2. Third row windows position. They are significantly higher than the front and middle windows. Why? Isn't nobody in GMC/Chevy able to see the design is ugly? Or the engineers were just over-lazy in pandemic era?
3. Third tow pillars are over-large. They simply makes anyone on third row seats has no side windows to use. Has anyone from GM ever sit on third row seats in any Ford Expedition max?

Now I am praying that GM will adopt 2023 Silverado 1500 fascia and its infotainment design onto 2024 Suburban. For third row windows and pillars problem, I am not expecting GM engineers, who are obviously lacking engineering aesthetics training, to do anything so soon because it seems mission impossible for them.

How Toyota and Ford train their engineers? 2023 Sequoia and Expedition Max look both beautiful.

GMC front end look better to you? Looks were the main reason I went GMC this time after owning Chevy's since 1996.

 

[B-train]

The new chevys look stupid. There is nothing masculine truck about it. From 2020 on they look ugly AF. GMC definitely does a much better job

 

[Suburban2024]

GMC front end look better to you? Looks were the main reason I went GMC this time after owning Chevy's since 1996.

Yukon's fascia looks much better that Suburban's. I am not a fan of too much chrome, though. But I am aware that's completely a personal preference.

 

[Onlyone]

The new GMCs are definitely better looking than the peasant Chevys. Hideous.

 

[Shangreer]

Might just be me, but I like the looks of the new Chevys.

 

[Chad G 1979]

Might just be me, but I like the looks of the new Chevys.

I do too, but more importantly, so does my wife.

 

[03catburban]

My opinion gm hasn't built a good looking truck since NBS including Chevy and gmc but the 03-06 gmc looks best

 

[GoNoGo]

Older chevy C-10 trucks I once owned and adored now look ugly to me. No telling whether I will loathe my '23 Suburban's looks in a few years

 

[navyseal334]

Current suburban fascia much more appealing than Yukon in my opinion; design decisions are made by committee with a lot of analysis/consideration given to target customers' tastes and preferences.

Sales numbers indicate that both designs find large amounts of takers - enough to drop a decent chunk of change on them.

The design of the third pillar, however, I totally agree with you. Not sure if the regulation is on the width of the pillar or the strength but current design completely shafts anyone in the third row (kids in my car) with having to look out the front windows/second row to see anything beyond a large wall of plastic - unless they're willing to crane their neck to a 90 degree angle to get a couple inches of outside view. For kids with carseats, the headrests even eliminates that extreme option.

While I appreciate safety, making a design choice like this that drastically inhibits rider comfort on 90% of rides (how often passengers in third row when vehicle driven) for something that will happen 0.0001% (1 in 10k rides - still hasn't happened to me in 20+ years driving) seems egregious.

I certainly wish they'd take notes from other makers on this one.

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

Current suburban fascia much more appealing than Yukon in my opinion; design decisions are made by committee with a lot of analysis/consideration given to target customers' tastes and preferences.

Sales numbers indicate that both designs find large amounts of takers - enough to drop a decent chunk of change on them.

The design of the third pillar, however, I totally agree with you. Not sure if the regulation is on the width of the pillar or the strength but current design completely shafts anyone in the third row (kids in my car) with having to look out the front windows/second row to see anything beyond a large wall of plastic - unless they're willing to crane their neck to a 90 degree angle to get a couple inches of outside view. For kids with carseats, the headrests even eliminates that extreme option.

While I appreciate safety, making a design choice like this that drastically inhibits rider comfort on 90% of rides (how often passengers in third row when vehicle driven) for something that will happen 0.0001% (1 in 10k rides - still hasn't happened to me in 20+ years driving) seems egregious.

I certainly wish they'd take notes from other makers on this one.

I’d assert that there are NOT people in 3rd row on 90% of rides. Even when my kids were home, I’d say 3rd seat occupancy was in the 5% of drives or less. I had 2 kids.

 

[R32driver]

I agree with the gmc lovers in here it is just a better looking front end in any trim level. It’s no wonder they are a changing the front ends on silverados to look more like the gmc. I will admit though the current Tahoe/suburban in RST trim is a very sharp looking ride but the rest of them are pretty blah.

 

[91RS]

I think this whole body style just looks bad but I usually get shut down whenever I say it. The body lines are just bad, especially on the SUVs. They are far from the handsome trucks they used to be. People keep claiming it’s the regulations that make them look like they do now but the Ram, F150, and Expedition are still good looking vehicles. Some of the Asian competition suffers from the same horrendous looks but some also look good. The SWB Expedition also fits in normal people’s garages as well, so that’s nice.

 

[outkastist]

I’d assert that there are NOT people in 3rd row on 90% of rides. Even when my kids were home, I’d say 3rd seat occupancy was in the 5% of drives or less. I had 2 kids.

I would say my experience is the other way around. I have 3 kids, and we use the third row most of the time. Only time it's not used is when I don't have the whole family with me.

 

[navyseal334]

I’d assert that there are NOT people in 3rd row on 90% of rides. Even when my kids were home, I’d say 3rd seat occupancy was in the 5% of drives or less. I had 2 kids.

90% was specifically for my case; I've got 4 kids with #5 on the way so the older 3 are permanent residents back there For drives with 0-2 kids, we're typically driving our sedan.