Sure would like to see some updated pics when you can.
Any concern with buying this first year redesign of the Yukon?
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Sure would like to see some updated pics when you can.
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Very nice looking rig.
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Thanks!
Eric, If you're accustomed to Toyota quality, you will be sorely disappointed. (Especially in first model year GM vehicles) Of all the many cars/trucks I've owned, first MY GM's have disappointed me. The worst was an '07 Escalade. Great looking in and out, great power and handling for a big rig, but a nightmare of problems. I have two '16 GX460's. Both have over 50k miles and both run, feel and look like brand new. I still have a '10 Tahoe LTZ that's been great and is used by my son.
From what I've read on this forum, the GM2kXX trucks have seemingly had an endless myriad of confounding problems. The infotainment and bells and whistles on the new GM T1 are very cool, but...
As far as the LC's go, there's a reason that the predominant safari vehicle has become an LC and an exodus from Land/Range Rovers... that's because the darn things seemingly run forever.
From what I've read on this forum, the GM2kXX trucks have seemingly had an endless myriad of confounding problems. The infotainment and bells and whistles on the new GM T1 are very cool, but...
As far as the LC's go, there's a reason that the predominant safari vehicle has become an LC and an exodus from Land/Range Rovers... that's because the darn things seemingly run forever.
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LC are ok, but they’re old through and through.
I guess when you keep making the same thing for 15 years without updating technology or efficiency, it’s easier to work out the bugs. But do you want to own a vehicle that was mostly engineered over 15 years ago? The gas mileage on Toyota V8’s is downright embarrassing, LC and Sequoia.
And look inside one of those Toyotas, it looks like you travelled back to 1995. Hard plastic everywhere, tiny info screens, safety systems that are an afterthought bolt on as opposed to engineered through the design (due to old designs being retrofitted).
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I guess when you keep making the same thing for 15 years without updating technology or efficiency, it’s easier to work out the bugs. But do you want to own a vehicle that was mostly engineered over 15 years ago? The gas mileage on Toyota V8’s is downright embarrassing, LC and Sequoia.
And look inside one of those Toyotas, it looks like you travelled back to 1995. Hard plastic everywhere, tiny info screens, safety systems that are an afterthought bolt on as opposed to engineered through the design (due to old designs being retrofitted).
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No worries from me. GM for the most part backs their products and with todays high tech design methods I am confident all will be well. Having said that i will be buying an extended warranty before the standard 3/36 runs out. Better to be safe than sorry 
No worries from me. GM for the most part backs their products and with todays high tech design methods I am confident all will be well. Having said that i will be buying an extended warranty before the standard 3/36 runs out. Better to be safe than sorry
That is the only time I recommend an extended warranty,if you must, after the initial bumper to bumper warranty runs out. Otherwise, I consider that an "instead of warranty".
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I would consider the age of Toyota design as a plus, actually. I would trade in my Tahoe for a Sequoia or LC in a heartbeat, but the Tahoe is paid for.
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Does anyone know what's the difference between buying an extended factory warranty ( Additional 2 years bumper to bumper warranty..) and buying the GM extended protection plan? which is a better deal?
Can you negotiate the price of these plans or buy from another dealer than purchasing from?
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Thank you for posting this detailed initial assessment. This increases our knowledge base, and give folks in a similar situation some things to be aware of and look out for.
Since I am not a fan of extended warranties I cannot speak to which is a better priced warranty to buy after the bumper to bumper stops.
You can negotiate and I definitely would. Especially if you are not done with the bumper to bumper warranty yet and yes, you can buy from whoever you wish to buy from from.
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I like how you sum’d it up...
Factory vs Service Contract (S/C) is difficult lately though. I’ve seen some posting GMPP is leaving them high & dry on diagnostics and unusual occurrences.
A bit to chew on though, CA has the most stringent standards for S/C being sold. Just a few sell them on vehicles North of 90K. Ally (yea, the bank) and AUL are two that exist here in Cali. Both are monitored by the CA Dept of Corporations and CA Attorney General.
I was quoted $5.9K by Ally for a S/C on our 09 Platinum w/ 130K mi. The Rep from Ally told me that their S/C sold by them in other states are mostly governed on what CA demands of them. Once a S/C is established on a vehicle sold in CA they slice off what’s NOT required by the other states they sell the contract in.
Unknowingly, I’ve promoted S/C but should of been promoting S/C sold in Cali. The only reason we have our 09 Escalade Plat today is because the S/C purchased on our 08 Denali AWD in ‘14 @ 96K paid almost $15k in covered items like p/s rack, pan & rear mail seal (2x), Alt (2x), radiator (2x), rear air shocks & comp’r, seals at rear brake /axle plates and all other seals fluid associated & water pump. There’s a few more but can’t remember.
So much documented, deferred and current maint was preformed by the S/C on a one owner truck from ‘14 to ‘20 in 40k miles the truck sold for $7K less than what we paid for it ($19.9K). The cost of fixing the failing black paint and cracked dash are the factors the prompted us to sell it last Feb. The proceeds from that sale paid for all but $2.5K to purchase our 09 Esky Plat that has super thick white pearl paint and a leather dash that won’t crack.
No S/C was purchased on the 09. The 08 trained us on how to care & maint the Esky. Figure we saved $68k on depreciation w/ the Esky purchase and it’s all due to the Yukon’s S/C allowing us to sell it private party. Resale on on the 07-09 NNBS are crazy high. I figure resale on the 12-14 NNBS will be identical. So yes, if you get a good warranty or S/C you can bank on your NNBS purchase. Purchasing Esky to obtain the proven tri coat paint and / or leather dash will let you be immune from the two most expensive and annoying failures on this series of trucks.
Factory vs Service Contract (S/C) is difficult lately though. I’ve seen some posting GMPP is leaving them high & dry on diagnostics and unusual occurrences.
A bit to chew on though, CA has the most stringent standards for S/C being sold. Just a few sell them on vehicles North of 90K. Ally (yea, the bank) and AUL are two that exist here in Cali. Both are monitored by the CA Dept of Corporations and CA Attorney General.
I was quoted $5.9K by Ally for a S/C on our 09 Platinum w/ 130K mi. The Rep from Ally told me that their S/C sold by them in other states are mostly governed on what CA demands of them. Once a S/C is established on a vehicle sold in CA they slice off what’s NOT required by the other states they sell the contract in.
Unknowingly, I’ve promoted S/C but should of been promoting S/C sold in Cali. The only reason we have our 09 Escalade Plat today is because the S/C purchased on our 08 Denali AWD in ‘14 @ 96K paid almost $15k in covered items like p/s rack, pan & rear mail seal (2x), Alt (2x), radiator (2x), rear air shocks & comp’r, seals at rear brake /axle plates and all other seals fluid associated & water pump. There’s a few more but can’t remember.
So much documented, deferred and current maint was preformed by the S/C on a one owner truck from ‘14 to ‘20 in 40k miles the truck sold for $7K less than what we paid for it ($19.9K). The cost of fixing the failing black paint and cracked dash are the factors the prompted us to sell it last Feb. The proceeds from that sale paid for all but $2.5K to purchase our 09 Esky Plat that has super thick white pearl paint and a leather dash that won’t crack.
No S/C was purchased on the 09. The 08 trained us on how to care & maint the Esky. Figure we saved $68k on depreciation w/ the Esky purchase and it’s all due to the Yukon’s S/C allowing us to sell it private party. Resale on on the 07-09 NNBS are crazy high. I figure resale on the 12-14 NNBS will be identical. So yes, if you get a good warranty or S/C you can bank on your NNBS purchase. Purchasing Esky to obtain the proven tri coat paint and / or leather dash will let you be immune from the two most expensive and annoying failures on this series of trucks.
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If your looking for an easy 200k miles then I would stick with Toyota. The last Honda I bought used never needed anything but spark plugs but owned a 2007 & 2015 Yukon. 2007 had to rebuild the trans then motor failed at 130k (couldn’t hold oil pressure). The 2015 was better but always had some recall and also minor exterior trim problems. I wouldn’t buy first year model again.
Just buy the Land Cruiser. If I was in the market for a new vehicle and could afford it, GM wouldn’t even be a consideration.
Yes, the interior is a little dated. That said, I am not a fan of electronic-controlled “everything” and with the LC you still get some freedom.
Yes, the interior is a little dated. That said, I am not a fan of electronic-controlled “everything” and with the LC you still get some freedom.
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I actually purchased the 2020 Tahoe to avoid the independent rear suspension. I was not interested in further reducing any of the Tahoe's off highway capability than was already lost with the switch to IFS between the solid (Beam frt & RR axle) V1500 Blazer (K5 Blazer) and the GMT400 platform with IFS in front solid axle in back that replaced it around 1992.
An independent suspension of the type commonly designed and applied to factory SUVs whether front or rear, inherently reduces overall wheel travel and 'working' ground clearance.
For instance on a conventional solid axle 4x4 when you place your tire on a rock (as you should on challenging rocky trails ....going from high pt to high pt under your tires to reduce chances of hitting something else) when the suspension travels upward it also takes the axle assembly upward, out of the way of any other obstructions that might hang you up or damage the axle. On an IFS when one side articulates upward into the wheel well, the center of the vehicle can be thought of as being thrust downward relative to the level resting axis from hub to hub
An independent front AND rear takes the Chev. 1/2 ton 4x4 another step closer to merely an inclement weather on pavement vehicle.
It all depends on what your expectations of the vehicle are.
The Ford Explorer, the kind commonly used by Police forces these days (not that I'm a fan of Fords at all), actually is dropping their independent rear suspension and going with a straight axle again, for ...I believe 2021. Don't know their reasoning, if I had to guess it was not to increase off-road capability but rather to decrease initial cost and lifetime servicing cost to increase the value for the fleet market.
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A lot there to agree with, though, I am a fan of GMs.
A nice '91 TLC would be great off road, I think that was the last year for the solid front axle, and yeah the 2020 Tahoe for example feels like it has to tell me stuff all the time, which is why I drive my 74 Cutlass a lot. Hmmm......
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Correct me if I am wrong but don't most military vehicles including the Hummer have independent front and rear suspensions? Not sure if they have as much faith in a solid rear axle like you do when it comes to off roading
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