Future 2020/21 Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban

[swathdiver]

I don’t think it will. Ford Expedition has IBR and still has a higher towing capacity than Tahoe/Suburban.

Out of curiosity, I ran the numbers between the 2009 offerings and found that in reality, the Expedition could only tow more when it was lightly loaded, like the driver and his dog. The Expedtion and other competitors boasted larger towing numbers but their own payload capacities were inferior allowing the Suburban/Yukon XL to pull more with more inside the cab.

The last GM minivans offered an IRS in the Buick but not the sportier Pontiac or mundane Chevrolet offerings. I reckon that if this new truck does have an IRS, it will be able to retrofit with the previous generation and visa versa, looks very similar. Just a guess.

 

[massivespl]

 

[cardude2000]

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What the hell is that a 1992 lumina with giant tires?

 

[Serg-214]

Is it just me or does it look like it still has the same crappy looking LED tail lights that the current Tahoe/Burbs have?

 

[ajs800]

More evidence, that IBR is really going to happen. And WOW, Car and Driver is saying the redesigned 2020 will be unveiled this January 2019...that's 8 short months from now! And even more exciting they're saying that the 2020 model may be for sale next spring, which is now less than a year away.

This is close to consistent with some other articles where GM folks have said "summer of 2020". Sounds like the 2019 model run will be pretty short.

2020 Chevrolet Suburban Will Feature Independent Rear Suspension
GM’s stalwart hauler gives up the stick axle.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/2020-chevrolet-suburban-will-feature-independent-rear-suspension

I recall seeing many 15s rolling around in this area March and April of 14.

This Is in line with everything I'm hearing. Maybe a Jan 19 Detroit auto show revealing?

 

[GTNator]

I recall seeing many 15s rolling around in this area March and April of 14.

This Is in line with everything I'm hearing. Maybe a Jan 19 Detroit auto show revealing?

Yes, I think that's exactly right. Car and Driver is also saying a Jan 2019 revealing... It's coming pretty soon.

 

[sam123]

Is it just me or does it look like it still has the same crappy looking LED tail lights that the current Tahoe/Burbs have?

It’s probably using parts from the current generation since it’s an early build

 

[GTNator]

Is it just me or does it look like it still has the same crappy looking LED tail lights that the current Tahoe/Burbs have?

It's been that shape for generations, at least they appear the same to me, double rectangles on top of each other. But also agree with the above, it's probably an early build that's using parts from the current generation.

 

[Serg-214]

It's been that shape for generations, at least they appear the same to me, double rectangles on top of each other. But also agree with the above, it's probably an early build that's using parts from the current generation.

I dont have a problem with the shape. Its the actual lighting that looks cheap.

 

[MichaelSE]

Now I'm worried because this website seems absolutely certain that the next gen Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade will use IRS. The strength and simplicity of a solid axle has always been a selling point for me, so I hope this isn't true. Any thoughts/rumors?

 

[GTNator]

Now I'm worried because this website seems absolutely certain that the next gen Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade will use IRS. The strength and simplicity of a solid axle has always been a selling point for me, so I hope this isn't true. Any thoughts/rumors?

Yes, others here have referenced that site and others before...IRS appears to be coming. For most people, IRS in SUVs adds value, according to recent statements made by GM. All of GM’s competitors already have it.

What will you miss if they go with IRS? It shouldn’t affect towing, the Expedition does fine towing with IRS.
Do you do hard core off roading?

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[Miami-Dade]

Is it just me or does it look like it still has the same crappy looking LED tail lights that the current Tahoe/Burbs have?

I love my LED tail lights. Plus the front lighting as well. I am more then happy it is going to look very similar. The way they are selling now looks like most people have no issue with the lighting.

If anybody does not like how the 2020-2021 looks go to Ford. I am sure they are more then happy to have you.

That just IMHO. To each their own.

 

[Serg-214]

I love my LED tail lights. Plus the front lighting as well. I am more then happy it is going to look very similar. The way they are selling now looks like most people have no issue with the lighting.

If anybody does not like how the 2020-2021 looks go to Ford. I am sure they are more then happy to have you.

That just IMHO. To each their own.

I guess im the only one who thinks they look like cheap connect the dot LEDs when they are on....

 

[swathdiver]

What will you miss if they go with IRS?

Cargo capacity is what they lose. For example the cargo capacity of the 2009 Expedition EL SLT 4x4 with 3.73 gear and tow package is 1,435 pounds. This is what the truck itself can carry. Its WDH rating is 890 pounds. The 2009 Toyota Sequoia SR5 4x4 with tow package can carry a paltry 1,250 pounds. Its WDH rating is 960 pounds.

A 2009 Suburban LTZ 4x4 can carry 1,500 pounds and its WDH rating is 1,000 pounds.

To be fair though, the Nissan Armada 4x4 has a rear wishbone suspension and can carry 1,458 pounds. It's more Tahoe/Yukon like in size though I think.

 

[GTNator]

I guess im the only one who thinks they look like cheap connect the dot LEDs when they are on....

Yes. You’re the only one, lol. But seriously, I really like the LED tail lights, a lot. If I’m following a Burb or Tahoe, I find myself staring at the rear lights. Same goes for Yukon and Esky. I think GM did a good job on these LED tail lights. They all look bold and fitting for the size of these trucks.


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[cardude2000]

Cargo capacity is what they lose. For example the cargo capacity of the 2009 Expedition EL SLT 4x4 with 3.73 gear and tow package is 1,435 pounds. This is what the truck itself can carry. Its WDH rating is 890 pounds. The 2009 Toyota Sequoia SR5 4x4 with tow package can carry a paltry 1,250 pounds. Its WDH rating is 960 pounds.

A 2009 Suburban LTZ 4x4 can carry 1,500 pounds and its WDH rating is 1,000 pounds.

To be fair though, the Nissan Armada 4x4 has a rear wishbone suspension and can carry 1,458 pounds. It's more Tahoe/Yukon like in size though I think.

You’re comparing decade old models.

Here’s info on the new one.

https://www.caranddriver.com/review...pace-and-storage-review-car-and-driver-page-7

 

[Miami-Dade]

I guess im the only one who thinks they look like cheap connect the dot LEDs when they are on....

What I said was more people seem to like them then not like them.

 

[Miami-Dade]

Yes. You’re the only one, lol. But seriously, I really like the LED tail lights, a lot. If I’m following a Burb or Tahoe, I find myself staring at the rear lights. Same goes for Yukon and Esky. I think GM did a good job on these LED tail lights. They all look bold and fitting for the size of these trucks.


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I find myself staring at the rear lights also. Yes GM did a really good job on those LED tail lights. I love when I step on the brake and it lights up half of the street at night. On some vehicles you can barely see the tail lights in the pouring rain.

 

[sickk23]

Cargo capacity is what they lose. For example the cargo capacity of the 2009 Expedition EL SLT 4x4 with 3.73 gear and tow package is 1,435 pounds. This is what the truck itself can carry. Its WDH rating is 890 pounds. The 2009 Toyota Sequoia SR5 4x4 with tow package can carry a paltry 1,250 pounds. Its WDH rating is 960 pounds.

A 2009 Suburban LTZ 4x4 can carry 1,500 pounds and its WDH rating is 1,000 pounds.

To be fair though, the Nissan Armada 4x4 has a rear wishbone suspension and can carry 1,458 pounds. It's more Tahoe/Yukon like in size though I think.

If you’re “going to be fair” compare the same trim levels, as there are suspension differences. You compared the base suspensions to the burbs LTZ w/rear load level.

I find myself staring at the rear lights also. Yes GM did a really good job on those LED tail lights. I love when I step on the brake and it lights up half of the street at night. On some vehicles you can barely see the tail lights in the pouring rain.

I feel like a GM did a good job of making LED tails look cheap. You wouldn’t guess that within the housing there’s LEDs. On the Denali you would more so. But compared to an X5, Q7, RR, QX80, Esky.. the detail just doesn’t feel there. But I guess that’s the thing, those are all premium vehicles so we should all be content that the Chevy is even seeing LEDs across the board.

 

[swathdiver]

You’re comparing decade old models.

Uh yeah, I was comparing the competition to my truck!

If you’re “going to be fair” compare the same trim levels, as there are suspension differences. You compared the base suspensions to the burbs LTZ w/rear load level.

Not so, I was making comparisons as close as possible to my truck. Highest trim level, 4WD and tow package as stated. There is no difference in carrying capacity between an '09 LTZ Suburban and my '09 SLT Yukon XL nor their towing capacity. I used actual door stickers when doing my examples. Of course, vehicles can be a few pounds off but such is irrelevant.