Future 2020/21 Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban

[HiHoeSilver]

And they (Ford) should be insecure, GM sells an order of magnitude more of these truck based SUVs than Ford does.


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And yet they decide to lose the solid rear axle...

 

[GTNator]

And yet they decide to lose the solid rear axle...

Yes that’s true, but I am very happy GM is not following Ford into aluminum bodies. That Expedition is paper thin, lots of reports of the body being pierced by small objects in weird places during an accident that otherwise would not have entered the body had it been made of steel.


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[cardude2000]

Ford is shamelessly copying GMs design.

I completely agree. Some here think they look nothing alike which is odd to me.

 

[cardude2000]

if you can't afford the gas you should not be driving or move closer to work?

I work from home and assure you
I can afford it ;-). I can also afford to leave my house windows open in the winter but choose not to.

My point was that more powertrain options are better than less.

 

[MichaelSE]

And yet they decide to lose the solid rear axle...

Still makes zero sense to me. GM's SUVs sell well with the solid rear. It's not a make-it-or-break-it for any buyers. The independent rear is more expensive, more complex, potentially reduces capability. I see no upside.

 

[WillCO]

Still makes zero sense to me. GM's SUVs sell well with the solid rear. It's not a make-it-or-break-it for any buyers. The independent rear is more expensive, more complex, potentially reduces capability. I see no upside.

It's automotive journalism upside - the press thinks that an independent rear is necessary for a truck to be acceptably modern. I agree with you, this is obviously not costing GM market share. I feel a little friskiness in the back end over highway bumps that might not be there with a more refined suspension, but it's not a big deal and definitely not a problem I would pay money to solve.

 

[UrbanSuburban]

IRS or not IRS or Solid Axle, its really not going to be an issue with most. Notwithstanding the groups like this forum who have solid reasons to keep the solid axle. But I don't think its Ford that is driving the need for IRS, but rather Cadillac. Cadillac wanted with this new 2020 gen to have a smaller escalade that was not truck based but on its own platform that does not cross pollinate with the CHevy and GMC. Never mind that the Escalade is over 50 percent of Cadillac sales but they wanted to compete with Landrover and Lexus and other so called 'Luxury' makes. GM nixed that for this upcoming Gen but it may for the one after. Ford has had IRS for years on its Expeditions/Navigatgors, it has not caused an avalanche of buyers.

 

[cardude2000]

Still makes zero sense to me. GM's SUVs sell well with the solid rear. It's not a make-it-or-break-it for any buyers. The independent rear is more expensive, more complex, potentially reduces capability. I see no upside.

Better ride/handling and much more interior space is the upside. The Tahoe is larger than a minivan with MUCH less cargo room.

 

[swathdiver]

Better ride/handling and much more interior space is the upside. The Tahoe is larger than a minivan with MUCH less cargo room.

Often true but no minivan can pull a house! Our Pontiac Montana's cabins are about the same size as my XL. Little more 3rd Row leg room and a little less cargo space in the rear compared to a Suburban. They can tow up to 3500 pounds while my GMC is more than twice that. Then you have the off road capability too.

 

[cardude2000]

Often true but no minivan can pull a house! Our Pontiac Montana's cabins are about the same size as my XL. Little more 3rd Row leg room and a little less cargo space in the rear compared to a Suburban. They can tow up to 3500 pounds while my GMC is more than twice that. Then you have the off road capability too.

I assure you I’m not lobbying for minivans LOL. I’m simply saying that for the size, the Tahoe interior is underwhelming from a cargo and legroom standpoint. Much of that has to do with the rear suspension set up.

 

[swathdiver]

I assure you I’m not lobbying for minivans LOL. I’m simply saying that for the size, the Tahoe interior is underwhelming from a cargo and legroom standpoint. Much of that has to do with the rear suspension set up.

It was a compromise design so they would fit in people's garages I guess. I never understood the appeal of the short wheelbase Tahoe save for the aforementioned reason, but then again I'm used to the 2-Door Jimmy and regular length Suburban.

 

[cardude2000]

It was a compromise design so they would fit in people's garages I guess. I never understood the appeal of the short wheelbase Tahoe save for the aforementioned reason, but then again I'm used to the 2-Door Jimmy and regular length Suburban.

It’s aesthetics too. I can’t stand the look of the suburban but there are those who can’t stand the look of the SWB. So I think it satisfies both. Livery almost always buy LWB and that’s a huge market for GM (and why I always think ‘Uber!’ When I see a black LWB.

unfortunately unless the next gen brings
Materially more cargo room to the SWB I’ll be forced to settle for the looks of a
LWB vehicle

 

[PG01]

It’s aesthetics too. I can’t stand the look of the suburban but there are those who can’t stand the look of the SWB. So I think it satisfies both. Livery almost always buy LWB and that’s a huge market for GM (and why I always think ‘Uber!’ When I see a black LWB.

unfortunately unless the next gen brings
Materially more cargo room to the SWB I’ll be forced to settle for the looks of a
LWB vehicle

X2 in the current gen, last gen looked good in a lwb and swb, currently the lwb look off somehow somewhere the lines look off... almost like the rear wheels need to move back some.

 

[WillCO]

I’m simply saying that for the size, the Tahoe interior is underwhelming from a cargo and legroom standpoint.

That's not wrong.

 

[Csurp]

It was a compromise design so they would fit in people's garages I guess. I never understood the appeal of the short wheelbase Tahoe save for the aforementioned reason, but then again I'm used to the 2-Door Jimmy and regular length Suburban.

Nice thing about choice is that you can get what you like or need.

I bought the Tahoe because I don't need a lot of room. I keep the third row folded down and have enough storage for my needs.

I also do a lot of city driving and parking so didn't want to deal with the extra length.

YMMV

It's all good.

 

[GTNator]

It’s aesthetics too. I can’t stand the look of the suburban but there are those who can’t stand the look of the SWB. So I think it satisfies both. Livery almost always buy LWB and that’s a huge market for GM (and why I always think ‘Uber!’ When I see a black LWB.

unfortunately unless the next gen brings
Materially more cargo room to the SWB I’ll be forced to settle for the looks of a
LWB vehicle

I LOVE the LWB. I drive one solo every day in and out of Washington DC, parking garages, and traffic. It’s just so capable from a space perspective, everything always fits, all the time, comfortably, people and things. Trip to Home Depot, no problem, trip to Costco, no problem, going out with friends, no problem. From a functional perspective, you can’t beat the LWB. Even on this forum, you rarely see folks with the LWB wishing they had a shorty, unless a life event occurs like kids leave home or whatever. It’s always the other way around, people who were considering either Long or Short (as opposed to folks who never considered the L vs. S. and instead knew what they wanted out of the gate) and somehow ended up with Short, wish they had gotten the Long. That’s why I say if you’re considering both, get the long. If you’re not considering both, get the one that appeals to you.

And as far as esthetics, it’s all relative and changes with perspective. I personally used to like the SWB more, but then once I got into the LWB and appreciated its extra space, LWBs look better to me. In fact the SWB looks like someone squashed the back in or something. But in the end I love them both and they’re both great!


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[cardude2000]

I LOVE the LWB. I drive one solo every day in and out of Washington DC, parking garages, and traffic. It’s just so capable from a space perspective, everything always fits, all the time, comfortably, people and things. Trip to Home Depot, no problem, trip to Costco, no problem, going out with friends, no problem. From a functional perspective, you can’t beat the LWB. Even on this forum, you rarely see folks with the LWB wishing they had a shorty, unless a life event occurs like kids leave home or whatever. It’s always the other way around, people who were considering either Long or Short (as opposed to folks who never considered the L vs. S. and instead knew what they wanted out of the gate) and somehow ended up with Short, wish they had gotten the Long. That’s why I say if you’re considering both, get the long. If you’re not considering both, get the one that appeals to you.

And as far as esthetics, it’s all relative and changes with perspective. I personally used to like the SWB more, but then once I got into the LWB and appreciated its extra space, LWBs look better to me. In fact the SWB looks like someone squashed the back in or something. But in the end I love them both and they’re both great!


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Agree. I’ll have to settle for the looks of the LWB unless the next gen can materially increase interior space.

Here’s to wishing!!

 

[AZCreeker]

the cargo space of the SWB is ridiculous. I understand if you turn it to a 5 seater it gets bigger but a freakin traverse has more room than a taheo behind the third row.

 

[swathdiver]

the cargo space of the SWB is ridiculous. I understand if you turn it to a 5 seater it gets bigger but a freakin traverse has more room than a taheo behind the third row.

True, but there's more to it than that. That Tahoe can pull over 4 tons behind it and go places that would wreck the Traverse.

 

[cardude2000]

the cargo space of the SWB is ridiculous. I understand if you turn it to a 5 seater it gets bigger but a freakin traverse has more room than a taheo behind the third row.

Cargo in both sizes is pathetic for their exterior dimensions. Minivans have more room.