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I've had this truck for 4 mos. and am on my 2nd battery. It drains overnight. I'm working on locating the drain - found 1 and pulled fuse but still drained.

Now I'm wondering if this is a related issue. At idle (around 500) the voltmeter will read 14+ and periodically momentarily fall to as low as 9 and shoot right back up. As you can see/hear in the video [https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10206006262902105], the revs drop too and lights dim. I don't know if the causation is the alternator/electrical system or engine cutting out. If I raise the revs a bit it clears out. Help!
 

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I thinking Alternator sounds like the internal voltage regulator is going bad.
 
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Actually, it can be tested in the vehicle. Had it done at O'Reilly yesterday and it checked out OK. Of course, the voltmeter was stable at the time - it comes and goes. I still think the regulator/alternator is suspect. I'm unhooking the battery overnight now.
 
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I disconnected the alternator overnight and it was down too much to start the next morning. I assume that means that the alternator is not the drain.
 

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Alternators can't cause a drain. They can undercharge or overcharge that affect your battery overall health but it won't parasitically drain your battery with your engine off. You need to probe each circuit in the fuse blocks with a meter (checking amp draw) to see what is using power when the truck is off.

BTW your idle is low. Can't believe no one mentioned that yet. Should be ~700ish & at 500 i'd expect to see your voltage drop. Simply, the alt isn't spinning fast enough to provide a consistent ~14 volts at 500 rpm.

So 1) fix your idle issue...
2) check for drains in your circuits...

Cameron
 
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Are you saying a failing/failed diode will not drain a battery when engine is shut off? By the way, I completely disagree if you say it will not drain a battery. I have seen it in the shop. Had vehicles in the shop that had a problem of drained battery overnight and found that if unplugged the alternator overnight that the battery did not drain. Failed diode causing current both ways thru it instead of one way like it is designed.



More information from an independent customer with a like problem:

Problem

1. The Charging System would sometimes cut out, and even when it was "working" I noticed that the Alternator Gauge would gradually read lower, and lower, over a period of a few months, and turning on Lights would drop it even lower.

2. I took the Truck to the Shop, several times, as things got worse, and each time their Tester said the Electrical System was "OK".

3. Finally, the Charging System stopped working altogether.

4. I took the Truck to the Shop again, and this time they said the Alternator was bad, and installed a Rebuilt Alternator.

5. I parked the Truck, while I went on a 2 day trip, and when I got back the Battery was dead.

6. I measured the Current, with a Multimeter, with the Engine and all Electrical Devices off, and found a 2.5 Amp continuous drain on the Battery.

7. I traced the source of the current drain, by pulling Connectors, Fuses, etc., and found that if I pulled one of the two Connectors on the Alternator, the current drain went away.

8. I took the Truck back to the Shop, they checked it again, and said their Tester said the Electrical System was "OK", it's not a problem with the Alternator they had installed, and that it's an Electrical System problem, and I need to take the Truck to an Automotive Electrical Shop.

9. I went on the Net, found Bob Hewitt's very excellent Automotive Web Site, and sent him an Email explaining the problem, and asking him if the Alternator could be bad, but the Shop's "Tester" say it's good.

10: Bob sent me a very detailed reply, explaining that it certainly could, if the Connector that I had pulled was the Battery (BAT) Connector. Bob further explained that one of the Diodes inside the Alternator could be shorted, causing the drain on the Battery, but the Alternator would still put out 12 Volts, and therefor pass the Voltage Output Test, however it could not put out full Current, and would fail the Current Load Test, IF the Shop actually ran that Test. Bob also gave me instructions on measuring the Resistance at the Alternator Connector to determine if the Alternator had this problem.

11. "Armed" with this information, I went back to the Shop, and although it took making a CAD Drawing, on the Computer, showing the Parts, Wiring, and Connections involved, along with a detailed Written Explanation, plus talking to 6 people, including the Shop Manager, over a period of about 5 days, to finally convince the Shop that this problem could exist, they finally agreed to replace the Alternator again (as they said that they had no way to really Test for this problem, in the existing Alternator).

12. The final solution: YES - it WAS the Rebuilt Alternator, and when they replaced the Alternator again, the problem went away - full output Voltage and Current - and no more Battery drain.
 
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Point made. However, more diagnostics need to be done before a fault can be identified. He still has a very low idle which is causing voltage output irregularity & he hasn't checked all the circuits for a drain or mentioned what amp drain he has at the battery.

An poorly performing alternator, or damaged alt, is much more likely to cause battery, computer, & module damage while running & providing undercharge or overcharge than in any other scenario I've seen.

Either way...more info is needed.

Cameron
 
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Turned out to be the starter. It finally got to where it would not crank even w/ booster in place so I replaced the starter. Did not experiences drain so put radio amp fuse back in - no problem.
 
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Turned out to be the starter. It finally got to where it would not crank even w/ booster in place so I replaced the starter. Did not experiences drain so put radio amp fuse back in - no problem.
Well, it turned not NOT to be the starter. I still have the drain but have identified the RDO AMP circuit as the likely culprit. If I pull that fuse it does not drain -or not nearly as much. FWIW the voltmeter shows strong charging except for the dips as described above.
 

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What is your amp draw (mV) before and after pulling the RDO AMP fuse?

Those amplifiers do go bad and can cause a draw. I would like to see the data anyway.

And yes, alternators can cause a parasitic drain with the engine off.

Keep in mind that when you are doing amp draw measurements, you need to let the modules in the car go to sleep before you start. Usually on these trucks 5 minutes is plenty.

Also, did not watch your video as it was unavailable.
 

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As I said before: Video no worky

If this is your FB account, you may have to make the video PUBLIC.
 
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Well, where do I go now? :-/ Took it to AutoZone and removed the alternator so they could bench test it. Passed w/ flying colors.
 
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Seduced and abandoned. :)
Can the alternator be bad and pass the tests?
 
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Still have the problem.
Cameron says my idle is too low but how do you adjust the idle w/ an electronic ignition?
 
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I also have a CEL that comes and goes. Codes are for lean condition. Could it be that when the voltage drops precipitously the fuel pump quits and the resulting mixture triggers the fault code?
 

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