Can i run my 2005 Yukon 5.3l with 8 quarts of oil in it

[cuttingedge]

“You guys did shoddy work”
“Yeah we might have screwed it up but we’ve already got your money.. siyanara suckaaa”


If it was zero pressure at startup why did you even take the truck? I would have demanded an explanation before moving it one inch.

I took the truck home because it's a ****** part of town and I still wanted it to have the rims and tires on it and still have the stuff in it and not stolen. The shop was closed. Everyone was gone. No way to get in touch with them.

I have been nothing but nice to these people even though I had an appointment, they said it would be done the next day, gave me excuses for the better part of a week telling me their tech was jumping back and forth between 3 vehicles, and it took them an entire week to get it "done". They said it was ready, and ready apparently to them meant zero oil pressure was fine to release it to the customer as "ready".

They lied to me plain and simple, took my money, and without even a hiccup didn't feel it was necessary to tell me it had zero oil pressure at any time between the time they "fixed" it and I picked it up.

I know this is a public forum, but if anyone tries to make this out as my fault, that will be complete BS.

Am I mad about what this shop has done? Yes I am. I am on a fixed income and paid 30% of my money before bills and I get the bait and switch, out my money, and they are trying to blame it on a stepper motor which is absolutely not the issue here.

I purchased an oil pressure testing kit today to verify that it has no oil pressure, and I would bet the farm this will be the case. It is going to snow and be 29 here tomorrow so I most likely won't be finding this out then.

 

[ZeroHour]

I was hoping you were closer so I could help. @OR VietVet s mention of reading the oil pressure data with a scanner (even cheapy off Amazon with an app on the phone via Bluetooth) would be a great way to eliminate the stepper motor as the issues (which I highly doubt it's the stepper motor / guage that's the issue here)

 

[cuttingedge]

Without attaching a mechanical gauge, you can attach a live data scanner and get a voltage reading related to the oil pressure.

By the way, the info you just shared of what the owner said about a possible stepper motor problem, did you have that info when you initially posted about this problem after picking up the truck? Or is this stepper motor/shop owner info something you JUST now found out?

He mentioned it in a phone call today. Not yesterday. Not before I picked up the truck, and not before telling me it had zero oil pressure, because he never told me that. That in itself should be enough to show that the shop is not on the up and up. What? Did they think I wouldn't notice the flashing lights and warning bells going off?

 

[OR VietVet]

I took the truck home because it's a ****** part of town and I still wanted it to have the rims and tires on it and still have the stuff in it and not stolen. The shop was closed. Everyone was gone. No way to get in touch with them.

I have been nothing but nice to these people even though I had an appointment, they said it would be done the next day, gave me excuses for the better part of a week telling me their tech was jumping back and forth between 3 vehicles, and it took them an entire week to get it "done". They said it was ready, and ready apparently to them meant zero oil pressure was fine to release it to the customer as "ready".

They lied to me plain and simple, took my money, and without even a hiccup didn't feel it was necessary to tell me it had zero oil pressure at any time between the time they "fixed" it and I picked it up.

I know this is a public forum, but if anyone tries to make this out as my fault, that will be complete BS.

Am I mad about what this shop has done? Yes I am. I am on a fixed income and paid 30% of my money before bills and I get the bait and switch, out my money, and they are trying to blame it on a stepper motor which is absolutely not the issue here.

I purchased an oil pressure testing kit today to verify that it has no oil pressure, and I would bet the farm this will be the case. It is going to snow and be 29 here tomorrow so I most likely won't be finding this out then.

Not one person here is claiming it is your fault. All we ask is that whatever info you have when you make a post, share ALL of it. Not part of it.

If the phone call with the owner was before the initial post about this problem, you should share that all then.

 

[cuttingedge]

I was hoping you were closer so I could help. @OR VietVet s mention of reading the oil pressure data with a scanner (even cheapy off Amazon with an app on the phone via Bluetooth) would be a great way to eliminate the stepper motor as the issues (which I highly doubt it's the stepper motor / guage that's the issue here)

I truly thank you for considering me! I'll get this figured out one way or another.

 

[cuttingedge]

Not one person here is claiming it is your fault.

I'm just really upset about it. Sorry for being touchy. I'm not loaded and it just tears me up to be done this way.

 

[PPV_2018]

I took the truck home because it's a ****** part of town and I still wanted it to have the rims and tires on it and still have the stuff in it and not stolen. The shop was closed. Everyone was gone. No way to get in touch with them.

I have been nothing but nice to these people even though I had an appointment, they said it would be done the next day, gave me excuses for the better part of a week telling me their tech was jumping back and forth between 3 vehicles, and it took them an entire week to get it "done". They said it was ready, and ready apparently to them meant zero oil pressure was fine to release it to the customer as "ready".

They lied to me plain and simple, took my money, and without even a hiccup didn't feel it was necessary to tell me it had zero oil pressure at any time between the time they "fixed" it and I picked it up.

I know this is a public forum, but if anyone tries to make this out as my fault, that will be complete BS.

Am I mad about what this shop has done? Yes I am. I am on a fixed income and paid 30% of my money before bills and I get the bait and switch, out my money, and they are trying to blame it on a stepper motor which is absolutely not the issue here.

I purchased an oil pressure testing kit today to verify that it has no oil pressure, and I would bet the farm this will be the case. It is going to snow and be 29 here tomorrow so I most likely won't be finding this out then.

Nah man, i or no one here is trying to make it out to be your fault. I was just asking a legit question to which you provided an answer that makes a lot of sense. I mean hell, i live in a ****** part of town so yeah. The first part of my comment was a lighthearted attempt at humor to lighten the mood, …. My brand of humor is an acquired taste.

I sympathize with you, no one wants to see someone being ripped off by anyone, especially auto shops.

 

[OR VietVet]

Appeal to the shop owner with proof of what is going on. Use a live data scanner and shoot a video of the oil pressure voltages compared to what is showing on the gauge. Use this pic as a scale:

 

[Fless]

What part of Colorado are you in, if I may ask?

 

[cuttingedge]

What part of Colorado are you in, if I may ask?

I'm in Colorado Springs.

 

[Fless]

Tough situation. But unless I'm mistaken, you did the diagnosis and the shop did the work that you requested, so I'm not quite sure how it's just the shop's problem. Now, if they were paid to assess and diagnose, that's a different story.

It seems like this situation would call for some additional diag to help determine the root cause of the suspected lack of oil pressure. Using a manual gauge would tell, for sure. Also, the engine may have adequate oil pressure, but a faulty gauge could mis-represent that. Think about doing the stepper motors especially if the cluster has never been rebuilt. An alternative is to stick a like cluster in it to see if the gauge on the substitute cluster acts differently.

 

[OR VietVet]

Yes, the cluster is very easy to change out, if you have another like vehicle. Literally can disassemble both clusters and plug in to check in less than 30 minutes.

 

[lyncht1967]

do a diagnostic gauge test or have shop do for you like one below. if it's good, good...if not see if shop will re-address issue. if they won't, initiate dispute process with credit card issuer...get issuer to send you an email confirming it's in process....then take copy to shop, they will get right on it then...then cancel dispute.

 

[Donal]

Hi. Will it harm my 2005 5.3l Yukon to run with 8 quarts of oil in it. The shop just supposedly changed my pickup tube o-ring and either they didn't actually do it or they messed up the seal during installation. I am willing to bet the pump is losing prime. When the truck is turned off. I can't afford to sink more money into right now and it's too damn cold for me to work on it in the driveway.

You know that you check the oil level with the engine running? The oil level during operation is important. The operating level is marked on the dipstick and needs to near the upper mark, when engine is running. The oil level with 8 quarts will be fine. The crankshaft rotation is well above the windage tray.

 

[Fless]

You know that you check the oil level with the engine running? The oil level during operation is important. The operating level is marked on the dipstick and needs to near the upper mark, when engine is running. The oil level with 8 quarts will be fine. The crankshaft rotation is well above the windage tray.

^^^^This method of checking engine oil level with the engine running is just plain WRONG.

 

[cuttingedge]

Tough situation. But unless I'm mistaken, you did the diagnosis and the shop did the work that you requested, so I'm not quite sure how it's just the shop's problem. Now, if they were paid to assess and diagnose, that's a different story.

It seems like this situation would call for some additional diag to help determine the root cause of the suspected lack of oil pressure. Using a manual gauge would tell, for sure. Also, the engine may have adequate oil pressure, but a faulty gauge could mis-represent that. Think about doing the stepper motors especially if the cluster has never been rebuilt. An alternative is to stick a like cluster in it to see if the gauge on the substitute cluster acts differently.

I understand your perspective, but telling the customer it is ready, taking payment, knowing I was picking it up after hours, in 20 degree weather, and NOT telling me it had zero oil pressure is the real issue here.

There is a problem with something they did. The only thing between the pump and the sump is the seal. That's it. Unless the pickup tube is cracked or damaged, which they should have caught during pre-assembly inspection.

Literally, if I point it uphill and start it, zero pressure. If I point it downhill and start it, it has normal oil pressure, near 50lbs at cold start idle. For this to be the case, it has to be sucking air and failing to prime. That's all it can be.

At any rate I have found another mechanic recommended by a friend who has given me a reasonable price to redo the repair, along with taking pictures during the process.

 

[cuttingedge]

Here's some pics from the mechanic that just did the job. He did not send a pic of the pickup tube with the new seal on it? Notice the picture of the oil pan pre cleanup. Looks pretty good for 207k miles. Not much in the way of sludge or build up. Speaks well of full synthetic oil and timely oil changes in my opinion.

 

[cuttingedge]

I'm posting another view of the o-ring before removal. Does anything look out of the norm here? Is it typical for the side nearest the bolt to retain more of its shape than the side opposite?

 

[OR VietVet]

I'm posting another view of the o-ring before removal. Does anything look out of the norm here? Is it typical for the side nearest the bolt to retain more of its shape than the side opposite?
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That is a very good question. I would like to ask an engineer about that.

 

[cuttingedge]

That is a very good question. I would like to ask an engineer about that.

At this point I'm kind of wondering if the clamp was overtighened and the edge that contacts the bulge in the tube has cracked or pierced it? Judging by the o-ring deformation, I think it's a possibility.

If you look closely, the flange in the tube is really deformed nearest the bolt, and the side opposite retains it's normal roundess. If this is the case, the original mechanic should have caught it. Also, if you look at the tube in the first pic, is it clean just below that surface which could indicate oil was coming out there and keeping the tube washed so to speak.

It goes in for the repair on the 22nd, so I'll know pretty soon.