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Woot!

I finally ordered the Delphi MPFI spider upgrade. Best $ for Canada was Rockauto at $283.

And I ordered the Taylor vmax intake spacer PN:11011. $275 from a local dealer. He claimed it was the last one in North America. Ok, wink, wink. Whatever, he was cheaper than anywhere else.

Just waiting for the MSd D6al and this new shit to arrive, then it's upgrade time!


I was getting bummed because at a little over 70,000kms(43,000miles) on the new crate motor, the engine has developed a miss. And of course it's over its warranty :(

So I'll do new ac delco plugs, msd cap, rotor, coil, ignition box, delphi mpfi and taylor spacer to see if the miss goes away. I already have msd wires.


I'm getting jazzed!!!
 

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:rocking: gotta love new stuff!! :D
 

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Dude!! new stuff is new stuff! :D
 
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Not to poop on your party but I don't think a spacer will benefit you.

I think your getting confused with TB spacers.
This is the intake spacer.

TB spacers help mix fuel and air better. Except there is no fuel to mix in the Vortec, so they don't work.

But in the Vortec, the intake spacer increases the clearance of the rear air passages, thus increasing air flow. Nothing to do with fuel mixing at all, just increasing air flow by reducing the air blockage in the rear cyls. Its like increasing a pipe from 1/2" to 1" (random examples thrown out there), you just get more air flowing with the spacer.

I subscribe to the more air is better theorem.

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Dude!! new stuff is new stuff! :D

Yes! I like new stuff!
 

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Nice! I actually installed the VMAX on my Tahoe. I put in a 383 and figured it needed to breathe better since the damn injectors are in the manifold. I did run into a big issue... The fuel lines will run right into the side of the distributor on the right side. It will prevent you from plugging the wires back in. I had to get a tubing bender to curve the lines out. The wires will then slip under the lines and it will work. HOWEVER, the fuel lines will be stretched out from the fuel filter all the way up to the back of the motor. You'll have to get a flexible line installed to relive the pressure of them being pulled in that direction.

I contacted Taylor and they didn't understand what I was talking about. Turns out they bought out the company that developed this spacer and had no pics of the final installation so they have no idea.
 
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sounds like fun!! did you buy the msd distributor harness?? i have an extra msd 6a box with the harness all attached i could of sold ya unless you like the new stuff.
lol Post up some pictures.
 

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X2!! Post up pics as the installs occur! :)
 

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I think your getting confused with TB spacers.
This is the intake spacer.

TB spacers help mix fuel and air better. Except there is no fuel to mix in the Vortec, so they don't work.

But in the Vortec, the intake spacer increases the clearance of the rear air passages, thus increasing air flow. Nothing to do with fuel mixing at all, just increasing air flow by reducing the air blockage in the rear cyls. Its like increasing a pipe from 1/2" to 1" (random examples thrown out there), you just get more air flowing with the spacer.

I subscribe to the more air is better theorem.



I know what it is it just seems that if you do that you would still have a difference between the the amount of air in the front and back end. More air is always good but it just seems like a much bigger spacer. Your air will still travel fast through the intake filter but once it hits the larger plenum chamber will slow down in a larger area and then speed up again down the runners. Now it will have to work harder to slow down and speed up again becuase of more internal area. I just think if someone developed a better internally bored intake plenum it would be more productive:imo:
 
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sounds like fun!! did you buy the msd distributor harness?? i have an extra msd 6a box with the harness all attached i could of sold ya unless you like the new stuff.
lol Post up some pictures.

No, didn't buy the harness. I'm wondering if I should have though. I'll know when the IGN box gets here, if I"ll buy one or not.

Ha, sorry, maybe we could have worked out a deal...but I wanted to try the new digital 6AL box.

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X2!! Post up pics as the installs occur! :)

You guys can be sure that I will!

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I know what it is it just seems that if you do that you would still have a difference between the the amount of air in the front and back end. More air is always good but it just seems like a much bigger spacer. Your air will still travel fast through the intake filter but once it hits the larger plenum chamber will slow down in a larger area and then speed up again down the runners. Now it will have to work harder to slow down and speed up again becuase of more internal area. I just think if someone developed a better internally bored intake plenum it would be more productive:imo:

Ok, sorry to jump the gun.
You brought up a valid point.

Much like a river, the air will slow down as it's space expands, and then speed up as the space narrows. I think it's called the Ventrui effect?
But I think that the work required to slow down and speed up the air is offset by the extra air flowing through the intake. Much like how a SC consumes HP from the engine to make it work, but generates so much HP that it's still produces a positive outcome.

Do they work? IDK, the guys here who have one seem to like them, and they mostly put them on during a rebuild. And the guys here who don't have one are wondering if they work. For $275, I thought I'd test it. I was already going to be in there for the MPFI upgrade, so it won't take any extra work.


As for the better enginered intake? +1
I think that there is a marine intake available, but it's $$$ and I am cheap :D

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Nice! I actually installed the VMAX on my Tahoe. I put in a 383 and figured it needed to breathe better since the damn injectors are in the manifold. I did run into a big issue... The fuel lines will run right into the side of the distributor on the right side. It will prevent you from plugging the wires back in. I had to get a tubing bender to curve the lines out. The wires will then slip under the lines and it will work. HOWEVER, the fuel lines will be stretched out from the fuel filter all the way up to the back of the motor. You'll have to get a flexible line installed to relive the pressure of them being pulled in that direction.

I contacted Taylor and they didn't understand what I was talking about. Turns out they bought out the company that developed this spacer and had no pics of the final installation so they have no idea.

Hey thanks for that heads up!!!

When I'm ready for install, I'll have the Mech have some fuel line parts on standby...haha..

Seriously, thanks.
 
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Woot! I've booked this Friday for the install! The shop's got a bay open for me for the whole weekend.

I've pulled the TSB that says how to install the MPFI spider, and the instructions say that it will only take three hours, but I"ve got all weekend booked, incase something goes drastically wrong.. Haha...

IDK where the MSD ignition box is. It still hasn't arrived yet.. They say it's on backorder, but I'm gonna do the rest of it.

I"m getting excited!!!


BTW, both sets of instructions for the MPFI and the intake spacer says to have vaseline available... Anyone know what for? Why would a mech shop have vaseline in it? Please, no rude comments.....I already know what some of you are gonna say....Let's hear from the guys who have already done this....
 

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To moistene the gaskets for a easier time trying to fit the plenum back on over the gasket on the new spider. Also helps to seal better. Even after I got it down I still had to pull the spider up slightly so the connector would lock on. I used motor oil. PITA.
 

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Woot!


BTW, both sets of instructions for the MPFI and the intake spacer says to have vaseline available... Anyone know what for? Why would a mech shop have vaseline in it? Please, no rude comments.....I already know what some of you are gonna say....Let's hear from the guys who have already done this....


Your gonna need the vaseline for when the shop hands you the bill for the whole weekend. It wont hurt as much! LMAO:imo:
 
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Well, I've spent 10 hours on it today...
I've been following the Vmax spacer installation instructions, down to the letter. Taking my time, doing things right, etc...Putting every part/bolt/nut in a bag, labeling the bags, etc.

6 hours to remove the upper intake and clean up both intakes.
The last 4 hours re-installing everything.
I get to the part where I have to torque down the upper intake. I skip the final torque down because I can't find the torque wrench anywhere. I move on a bit doing the PVC, Purge valve, Coil and IGN module. Then my concious gets to me, and I call the apprentice to ask where the torque wrench is.

I start on my first intake bolt. The specs say 83lb/in. Wrench, wrench, wrench, snap!

I'm crying...
Tomorrow, I have to take it all apart again and get the bottom of the bolt out.

I'm tired, sore and cranky that I had to call my wife to come bring me home tonight.

It's a good friday my a$$.
 

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That sounds like a funfilled day :eek:
 

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Just make sure you replace all of those intake bolts! I'm pretty sure they're torque to yield anyways.


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Order ARP stainless bolts for the vortec intake. The same thing happened to me! The bolts are worth it. Don't forget to put blue thread locker. Max torque on the bolts is 11 lbs. Use FELPRO MS98000T gasket kit. IMO these are the best intake gaskets.
 

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