Anybody else less than enthusiastic about the direction Chevy is taking with the Tahoes and suburbans?

[RET423]

CAFE is gone.




The changes that have taken place can only be undone through both houses of Congress with a supermajority vote. That isn't likely to happen again in a long long time.

HR4117 will pass sometime this month and cement these changes into law with regards to automotive EPA regs.

It seems to me that most people don't realize yet what's actually happened with regards to automotive emissions standards and the protections that have been put in place to ensure that they are difficult if not impossible to change.

When HR4117 passes, states will be stripped of the authority to do emissions testing as the standards presently don't exist anymore. The states will no longer be allowed to set emissions standards either. CARB is scrambling to stay relevant.

The automotive industry has quickly adapted to changes coming from Washington and there is no reason to expect otherwise when they've been granted freedom and not expensive mandates. Think about it.

I think the manufacturers are going to be quiet about the changes for the better they can now do until the garbage stuff is mostly sold, they don't want to get stuck all that junk iron they built to please the EPA

But my read of recent events is that your absolutely right, it will be very difficult to bring this level of regulation back with the Chevron standard removal & the congressional requirement restored

I am looking forward to a lot of cheap 22-25 models to buy & delete very soon, some manufacturers might have difficulty reconfiguring for reliability but GM has kept the design close enough to just change out a handful of parts, raise the oil viscosity & let the good times roll again

Except for the Direct Injection, that's still a bad idea that's a bit more involved to replace but it can be made reasonably reliable if the other garbage is gone

 

[C-Lion]

Some of what you say are a sign of the times and what GM perceives as what the customer wants.

For at least the last 50 years, each GM brand has had their offerings with a similar look.

GM knows that it costs fuel to carry fuel around. They size fuel tanks to achieve a certain range for city and highway driving and it differs by vehicle size. The more efficient the drivetrain, the further it will go with less fuel. Personally, I like more fuel onboard too.

Now that emissions standard for autos are gone, we should see larger fuel tanks again for gasoline equipped vehicles. Under the old rules, the gas tank was part of the emissions system and the aftermarket couldn't touch that with a 10-foot pole without the Feds going after them. All of that nonsense is gone now.

In the next year or so we'll see Start/Stop, AFM and DEF disappear forever and technology we've not imagined show up and revolutionize the industry. We might also see some old designs dusted off and brought back into production again because they were inexpensive to produce, operate and lasted a long time, like the Buick 3800 series engines.

I sure hope so!

 

[Seamus]

I see some feel the manufactures will not be changing backwards due to they designed it already.......have you given any thought to how much this has cost them in warranty work??? Lifters, cams, motors, diesel emission stuff??? Its astronomical. They will definitely be going simple as they did in the L8T with no AFM for a reason. Many diesel guys left diesel to go to 2500 gas no AFM for this reason....Hotshot tow guys cannot afford being stuck all over the country with the 2500 diesel. Its been a nightmare. If it can get simple and more reliable...it will.

 

[ZKWBQD]

Is anybody less than thrilled with the direction Chevy is taking with the Tahoes and suburbans.?
I mean the designs are looking less truck like. If I wanted my truck to look like a traverse or equinox, I’d get one. The technology is nice but with the new tech, they’ve taken away the things I bought the trucks for. The locking diff is no where near what it used to be. The internal tech is not always reliable. The engine and lifter issues are a disaster. The navigation system was better with the SIM card. Ground clearance, haha. The gas tank has the capacity of a large sedan. They are imho becoming more like station wagons. No tow hooks or a means to put them on? Except for z71, ridiculous. Mandatory sunroofs with towing packages!
Maybe I’m wrong.

I positively loath Daytime Running Lights. I noticed in the latest rendition they've added MORE. My DRLs are disabled, for improved safety, and gas mileage. The new Tahoe's look like a Christmas tree coming down the road with all the lights. Toyota does this correctly, DRL off, right on the light switch. It's good to hear that the new EPA is dropping the requirement for engine Stop-Start. This should take at least $500 off the price of the vehicle, as well as saving people about $100 for the gadget that disabled it.

 

[ZKWBQD]

if Chevrolet has the ability to reprogram the auto stop and cylinder deactivation and turn them off. They should offer that service. Especially if it will lead to increased engine life.

I'm not sure what the demand would be for reprogramming it. Everyone I know with a Tahoe or Suburban already has the disabling gadget installed.

 

[dbphillips]

Is anybody less than thrilled with the direction Chevy is taking with the Tahoes and suburbans.?
I mean the designs are looking less truck like. If I wanted my truck to look like a traverse or equinox, I’d get one. ages!
Maybe I’m wrong.

Huh. I actually feel like they made the design too truck like. They are huge, with hoods at the optimum height for a six foot man (lucky me).

I want to tow an RV frequently, I don't need a giant pos to try to park on the rare occasion I go into the city, I don't need something that's a pita for my wife to drive. I need to carry 4 people and two dogs.

The doodads and nanny nonsense and watered down basic 4WD (get the two speed transfer case) are issues. And not allowing basic features unless you buy useless ones and bad IRS design on a tow vehicle with 8000# capacity. And no OEM accessory to add air shocks to the rear to fix it. I swear they planned to push people into over priced high trim crap by going to IRS.

 

[vcode]

I positively loath Daytime Running Lights. I noticed in the latest rendition they've added MORE. My DRLs are disabled, for improved safety, and gas mileage. The new Tahoe's look like a Christmas tree coming down the road with all the lights. Toyota does this correctly, DRL off, right on the light switch. It's good to hear that the new EPA is dropping the requirement for engine Stop-Start. This should take at least $500 off the price of the vehicle, as well as saving people about $100 for the gadget that disabled it.

DRL's reduce safety and gas mileage? This I gotta hear......

 

[homesick]

DRL's reduce safety and gas mileage? This I gotta hear......

LOL, I'm curious too.

Alternator?

joe

 

[vcode]

LOL, I'm curious too.

Alternator?

joe

They do draw current but what do you save, a gallon every 10K miles?

 

[homesick]

They do draw current but what do you save, a gallon every 10K miles?

It was a joke. While technically true, it's about as realistic a drain as saying that 'blinking burns calories' is.

joe

 

[Blueinterceptor]

I'm not sure what the demand would be for reprogramming it. Everyone I know with a Tahoe or Suburban already has the disabling gadget installed.

If gm does it your warrranty stays intact. Add ons could void your warranty

 

[Eighthtry]

Some of what you say are a sign of the times and what GM perceives as what the customer wants.

For at least the last 50 years, each GM brand has had their offerings with a similar look.

GM knows that it costs fuel to carry fuel around. They size fuel tanks to achieve a certain range for city and highway driving and it differs by vehicle size. The more efficient the drivetrain, the further it will go with less fuel. Personally, I like more fuel onboard too.

Now that emissions standard for autos are gone, we should see larger fuel tanks again for gasoline equipped vehicles. Under the old rules, the gas tank was part of the emissions system and the aftermarket couldn't touch that with a 10-foot pole without the Feds going after them. All of that nonsense is gone now.

In the next year or so we'll see Start/Stop, AFM and DEF disappear forever and technology we've not imagined show up and revolutionize the industry. We might also see some old designs dusted off and brought back into production again because they were inexpensive to produce, operate and lasted a long time, like the Buick 3800 series engines.

My 21 and 23 F150's each have a 36 gallon tank. Is the thought that this was a detriment to mpg with the emission rules in effect at the time? I'm thinking Ford had to have the same problem. I can't imagine they had miles to burn.

 

[GMCChevy]

I think the fuel tank thing is more because of the weight and vehicle design and better fuel mileage meant going the same distance on a smaller size. The size stayed pretty much the same from 2000 to 2020.

 

[CMoore711]

Imagine if the next gen GM V8 didn’t have DFM or AS/S…

 

[swathdiver]

My 21 and 23 F150's each have a 36 gallon tank. Is the thought that this was a detriment to mpg with the emission rules in effect at the time? I'm thinking Ford had to have the same problem. I can't imagine they had miles to burn.

I'm speculating, Ford had more cars than GM to offset the CAFE numbers for the trucks, or they made enough of a profit to pay the fines to the EPA and give the customers what they want, bigger fuel tanks!

Now, with automotive emissions gone, we will see companies coming out with larger gas tanks again. Over the last 25 years or so, the EPA considered the gas tank part of the emissions system and nobody would or could touch them. We had to adapt the aftermarket diesel tanks. Anyhow, good times are a coming!

I'd love to carry more than 31.5 gallons myself! Would be cool if someone made a second tank to fit above or in place of the spare like the 2500 SUVs had.

 

[jerry455]

Direct injection is better than port injection. It makes more power and fuel burns more completely. I agree getting rid of DFM but it won't be easy because of the Global B architecture, it will be more difficult and costly to tune. I hate being around the deleted diesels. I don't like all of the "rollin coal" idiots that think it is cool blowing black clouds everywhere. Emissions controls are not a bad idea. Many don't remember what LA used to be like before the emission controls started. I have been teasing my dealer friend about swapping an L8T 6.6 gas short block in place of my L87 6.2 for the recall. I am trying to find the right person to ask how I can do that for the proper tuning.

 

[Johnny Fr]

If anything, the 2026 pricing is for me a bit shocking. I'm talking about the High Country. $1700 base, and all I can see is interior cams added. $400 destination, we all knew about that, kicked in late July (2nd increase in 2025). But the kicker is about $2855 more for the High Country Deluxe package. Seems that Super Cruise is now bundled in. That would make our vehicle $4955 more. Do folks just roll it into a monthly payment and call it a day, or do they stop and say, $5k is a lot of money.

p.s. I know what GM will say--we only increased the base price by 2.5%. But what about bundling Super Cruise in with the HC Deluxe, that's pure marketing gold right there. imho the way Japanese mfgs have always done it. You want a sunroof? Well there are $4000 worth of other items you'll need to get, but we've packaged it for you

 

[tooleyondeck]

Imagine if the next gen GM V8 didn’t have DFM or AS/S…

If that happens, I'll switch to a new SUV. Hell, even just a non-DFM 5.3/6.2 is all I want. Now if we're getting crazy, imagine a new 2500 Suburban with the L8T and solid rear axle.

 

[Stbentoak]

If anything, the 2026 pricing is for me a bit shocking. I'm talking about the High Country. $1700 base, and all I can see is interior cams added. $400 destination, we all knew about that, kicked in late July (2nd increase in 2025). But the kicker is about $2855 more for the High Country Deluxe package. Seems that Super Cruise is now bundled in. That would make our vehicle $4955 more. Do folks just roll it into a monthly payment and call it a day, or do they stop and say, $5k is a lot of money.

p.s. I know what GM will say--we only increased the base price by 2.5%. But what about bundling Super Cruise in with the HC Deluxe, that's pure marketing gold right there. imho the way Japanese mfgs have always done it. You want a sunroof? Well there are $4000 worth of other items you'll need to get, but we've packaged it for you

No matter what happens or what they delete... the price isn't going down on these in the future....

 

[Johnny Fr]

No matter what happens or what they delete... the price isn't going down on these in the future....

Agreed, I was just curious what the increase might be. They snuck in $900 3rd week of July, so units arriving mid August could be $900 more than another one coming in at the very same time.