BREAKING: GM is officially recalling the L87

[Vladimir2306]

CFO, interesting. I thought you were the president.. of Russia lol. Jokes aside, appreciate the responses. Wish I had the time / resources to take your advice. Tick tick tick .. on my 23 Yukon Denali

So it doesn't cost much to take my advice. It is not expensive to open the pan during the next oil change and see the condition of the liners and crankshaft

 

[shb500777]

This is absolutely MASSIVE for GM, right? Like, lose-lose-lose-lose scenario?

They are saying 18.9 hours of labor to change motors... So just throwing around some numbers...

19 hours of labor at $85 per hour = $1615 per project
750,000 recalled engines, say 25% are bad (likely more) = 187,500 engines

We are talking $302,812,500 in LABOR alone... NOT COUNTING engines...

Then we still have to consider loss of future customers, further issues down the roam, oh... And lawsuits.

 

[BacDoc]

Customer can take the vehicle to any authorized GM dealer.The dealer gets paid for the work they do at the agreed upon rate. Let’s show the person with issue some concern and courtesy.

This is essential for any customer service oriented business! Quality control and customer service will help more with brand loyalty than any advertising campaign or social media optimization, SMO. Not the Russian version of SMO LOL

 

[vcode]

So it doesn't cost much to take my advice. It is not expensive to open the pan during the next oil change and see the condition of the liners and crankshaft

I stick by my statement. 99.9% will not do that. Maybe even 99.99%......

 

[Lonny]

Won’t the resale market for these trucks be divided into two categories:

1) engines replaced (higher value)
2) oil replaced (tainted value)

 

[BADRIDES]

I’d never buy anything from you!

Some business you just dont need

 

[BADRIDES]

This is absolutely MASSIVE for GM, right? Like, lose-lose-lose-lose scenario?

They are saying 18.9 hours of labor to change motors... So just throwing around some numbers...

19 hours of labor at $85 per hour = $1615 per project
750,000 recalled engines, say 25% are bad (likely more) = 187,500 engines

We are talking $302,812,500 in LABOR alone... NOT COUNTING engines...

Then we still have to consider loss of future customers, further issues down the roam, oh... And lawsuits.

Where are you getting $85 an hour? Try $140 and up, the dealership 25 miles from me charges $169 an hour that's why you wont see 750,000 new engines installed. It would put the company in a major downward spiral.

 

[viven44]

Won’t the resale market for these trucks be divided into two categories:

1) engines replaced (higher value)
2) oil replaced (tainted value)

In theory you are correct but in practice far from the truth. 99% of the people who aren't 6.2L owners currently haven't the faintest clue about any of this going on and with all the eye candy on these high trim models that are equipped with 6.2L its going to be the last thing in their mind.....

 

[Scarey]

Won’t the resale market for these trucks be divided into two categories:

1) engines replaced (higher value)
2) oil replaced (tainted value)

After the recall has mostly worked it’s way through, what’s printed on the oil fill cap is what’s going to drive the value. If you have a 0-20 cap, you were outside of the recall or received a new motor. If you have a 0-40 cap you could still have a bad motor, you only past the knock sensor test….for now. 0-40 will be the scarlet letter.

 

[BADRIDES]

A lot of my 6.2 owners are running Lucas in their trucks, I have one customer that prolonged his engine 60,000 miles before he had problems.

 

[BacDoc]

A lot of my 6.2 owners are running Lucas in their trucks, I have one customer that prolonged his engine 60,000 miles before he had problems.

Not sure what you mean by this.
60,000 is pretty low mileage for a used Tahoe or Silverado in good condition

 

[BADRIDES]

Not sure what you mean by this.
60,000 is pretty low mileage for a used Tahoe or Silverado in good condition

Got him to 98000 before his cam went bad. I even have 5.3 owners using Lucas oil treatment in their engines

 

[BacDoc]

Got him to 98000 before his cam went bad. I even have 5.3 owners using Lucas oil treatment in their engines

Gotcha!

 

[viven44]

All these snake oil treatments are band-aids and often used in very high mileage engines traditionally... I'm shocked this is what people are counting on these days for use on brand new vehicles........

Also are these vehicles under power train warranty, surprised that the dealership would allow any warranty vehicles to use anything besides Dexos oil ?

 

[OR VietVet]

In theory you are correct but in practice far from the truth. 99% of the people who aren't 6.2L owners currently haven't the faintest clue about any of this going on and with all the eye candy on these high trim models that are equipped with 6.2L its going to be the last thing in their mind.....

The vast MAJORITY of GM owners WILL hear about this and even non GM owners. Word of mouth on top of articles, shows and social media.

 

[Marky Dissod]

... surprised that the dealership would allow any warranty vehicles to use anything besides Dexos oil ?

Many do not realize how difficult it is for any dealer or even GM to prove that anyone
used a non-Dexos motor oil, or used 0W30 instead of 0W20.
Some - not all - of those motor oil additives are easier to detect than others.

 

[BADRIDES]

Also are these vehicles under power train warranty, surprised that the dealership would allow any warranty vehicles to use anything besides Dexos oil ?

Why would the dealership or even GM give a dern about a customer trying to keep his engine to last longer. Do some reasearch and look at what an engine looks like on the inside that has used Lucas Oil treatment. I have seen it on super high mileage engines and its astonishing how clean and golden looking they are. It reminds of the old days when everyone used slick-50.

 

[Scagsdale]

Where are you getting $85 an hour? Try $140 and up, the dealership 25 miles from me charges $169 an hour that's why you wont see 750,000 new engines installed. It would put the company in a major downward spiral.

So, we spend 80-120K to get what is supposed to be a good vehicle. The company puts out garbage that could get you killed, or will at least lower the value of what you bought by an insane degree. Dealers are at least partially complicit because they have been repairing this crap and knew it was a problem. And us buyers need to accept that since the problem “costs to much” to fix correctly, we probably won’t be made whole. Hahaha. If GM really does that, they will deserve to go belly up along with their dealerships. I doubt they will really try it. Hope I’m right. A major downward spiral for GM will happen if they screw their customers out of the high cost of these vehicles.

 

[BADRIDES]

So, we spend 80-120K to get what is supposed to be a good vehicle. The company puts out garbage that could get you killed, or will at least lower the value of what you bought by an insane degree. Dealers are at least partially complicit because they have been repairing this crap and knew it was a problem. And us buyers need to accept that since the problem “costs to much” to fix correctly, we probably won’t be made whole. Hahaha. If GM really does that, they will deserve to go belly up along with their dealerships. I doubt they will really try it. Hope I’m right. A major downward spiral for GM will happen if they screw their customers out of the high cost of these vehicles.

So if you spent 80-120k for a vehicle then you should have shopped around unless you got an Escalade cause my dealership has NEVER had an 80K 6.2 truck. Loss of propulsion is not gonna get you killed unless you are driving some insane speed or driving like speed racer.

 

[OR VietVet]

"Dealers are at least partially complicit because they have been repairing this crap and knew it was a problem".

Dealers know problems when GM tells them there is a problem. No dealer is digging down and coming up with the problem and what to do to fix it. Not in this case. They know it is a problem when they see car counts for the same problem but thinking ahead as to why, would only be guesswork till GM tells them and they toe the "company line".