pros vs cons of warming up the car on a cold winter morning?

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I ve been debating if its a good idea to let my tahoe warm up for ten minutes each morning in the winter before i hit the road or if its just a waste of gas. I dont have a garage and it just sits outside overnight. I red some stuff online but not sure how reliable the souce is, were as forum members here havent led me astray yet so id rather get info from you all. Thanks in advance for your input.
 
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i dont know if its good or not. I crank my 2500 diesel a good 15 mins or so before i go anywhere.
 

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Well for one thing in the winter.. its good just so there is heater as soon as you get in.. and ESPECIALLY if you have autostart.. this more than offsets the gas cost..

As to gas cost.. 10 minutes of idle is pretty insignificant to me.. plus im sure if its super cold you could possibly help with oil temp ect. .which can reduce where and tear since cold oil is thick oil.. but i think primarily.. its a comfort thing...

One of my friends dad bought him an 04 altima.. and convinced him he needed to let it warm up at least 5 mins before he drove it every morning .. winter summer fall... we live in florida.. his dad was an idiot...
 

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I warm mine up for about 15mins. The inside gets warm and its runs better than just starting it up and driving away.
 

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Not too sure about the burning more gas thing but I'm with Mob. Cold oil is worst on the engine, thats why I let mine sit and run for about 15 mins.
 

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The optimal method is to have your entire drivetrain (engine, tranny, rear-end, etc.) warm up simultaneously. The best way to do that is to start your vehicle, maybe let it run for 10-15 seconds...and then drive it like a grandma for about 10 minutes.

A lot of people don't realize that if you start up your car and let it idle for 15 minutes, the engine is the only thing that gets warmed up. The tranny and rear-end are still cold and need an opportunity to warm up before you go and drive like a crazy person...

However, if I ever have to leave my vehicle outside on extremely cold nights I say screw it and let it warm up for 5-10 minutes. I just make sure to drive gently for the first 5-10 minutes after I leave...
 

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A friend of mine who is a tuner has always warned me against warming up a car by just letting it sit there and idle. He told me that when you start up a car, the computer is keeping it in a "warm up" mode and it is runnign much richer than normal, and that does not change until you drive it. So, he said if it sits there running so rich like that, its going to kill your cats and 02 sensors pretty quickly.
 

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The optimal method is to have your entire drivetrain (engine, tranny, rear-end, etc.) warm up simultaneously. The best way to do that is to start your vehicle, maybe let it run for 10-15 seconds...and then drive it like a grandma for about 10 minutes.

A lot of people don't realize that if you start up your car and let it idle for 15 minutes, the engine is the only thing that gets warmed up. The tranny and rear-end are still cold and need an opportunity to warm up before you go and drive like a crazy person...

However, if I ever have to leave my vehicle outside on extremely cold nights I say screw it and let it warm up for 5-10 minutes. I just make sure to drive gently for the first 5-10 minutes after I leave...

this is exactly what i do, i let my truck run for about 2-4 min (I live in cali so not that cold here plus is underground parking so even better) then drive it like a grandma for the next 10 min.
 
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Well for one thing in the winter.. its good just so there is heater as soon as you get in.. and ESPECIALLY if you have autostart.. this more than offsets the gas cost..

As to gas cost.. 10 minutes of idle is pretty insignificant to me.. plus im sure if its super cold you could possibly help with oil temp ect. .which can reduce where and tear since cold oil is thick oil.. but i think primarily.. its a comfort thing...

One of my friends dad bought him an 04 altima.. and convinced him he needed to let it warm up at least 5 mins before he drove it every morning .. winter summer fall... we live in florida.. his dad was an idiot...

LOL, that is super funny, if i lived somewhere like florida I would never have even thought to "warm up my vehicle"

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A friend of mine who is a tuner has always warned me against warming up a car by just letting it sit there and idle. He told me that when you start up a car, the computer is keeping it in a "warm up" mode and it is runnign much richer than normal, and that does not change until you drive it. So, he said if it sits there running so rich like that, its going to kill your cats and 02 sensors pretty quickly.

that is part of the info i read online and wasnt sure how valid it was, i didnt want to say anything about it and see if it was brought up here. Ill see if i can find the article again and post it to see what you all think

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heres the article I read that made me question running my tahoe for 15 minutes every morning:

Although you might think it’s easier on your car to let it sit and gently warm up, doing so is a bad idea for a number of reasons. Most importantly, it does indeed waste gas.

The vast majority of cars on the road today use electronic fuel injection. When your car’s engine is cold, the computer tells the fuel injectors to stay open longer, allowing more fuel into the engine to help it run cold. As the engine warms up, the injectors let in less fuel and everything returns to normal, so to speak.

The problem is, letting your car sit and idle is the slowest way to bring it up to operating temperature because it’s generally sitting in your drive at just above idle speed. And this method to warm up also invites other problems. Remember that modern cars are equipped with a multitude of devices to help them run clean, including a catalytic converter (sometimes three of them), a device in the exhaust system that works to burn off unburned hydrocarbons in the exhaust stream. A cold engine emits a far higher percentage of unburned hydrocarbons than a warm engine. Unfortunately, the average catalytic converter can’t process 100 percent of unburned hydrocarbons even in the best of times. Importantly, the catalytic converter needs high exhaust temperatures to work properly. Throw in a cold engine emitting a high percentage of unburned hydrocarbons, repeat several hundred times, and you can end up with what’s called a “plugged” converter. In a nutshell, the converter becomes overwhelmed and literally ceases to function. This won’t happen all at once but over time, the end effect is the same: poor mileage and significantly dirtier exhaust.

The best bet? Even when it’s 10 degrees F outside, start your car, let it run for 30 to 60 seconds to get all the fluids moving, then drive off gently. Your engine will warm up faster, your exhaust system will get up to temperature faster so the catalytic converter can do its thing, and you’ll use less fuel. Which is what you wanted all along anyhow, right?

If it's below zero outside, it would be a good idea to give the engine five minutes or a little less before you drive off into the frozen wilderness!

— Richard Backus, editor in chief, Gas Engine and Motorcycle Classics magazines
 

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A friend of mine who is a tuner has always warned me against warming up a car by just letting it sit there and idle. He told me that when you start up a car, the computer is keeping it in a "warm up" mode and it is runnign much richer than normal, and that does not change until you drive it. So, he said if it sits there running so rich like that, its going to kill your cats and 02 sensors pretty quickly.


yes at start up the computer uses a richer map to get the engine and cat converters to normal operating temp(we all know it must be at normal operating temp. too cold=damage too hot=damage) and it will burn more gas so if you are in a hurry every morning and turn on your truck and drive it hard you will waste gas. but it will not damage your cats there will be unburned fuel in there but theres a constant flow of exhaust that get the fuel burned/out. maybe if you modified your truck/car with turbo or sc and a tuned maybe it will damage because its been modified to run richer to compensate for the extra air coming in. but remember you are in the cold map and if you hit boost it must run aether rich or ideal to compensate so if you dont let it idle you will be boosting under cold map use, then computer will read boost and dump more fuel. unless u have a wide band sensor connected to your ecu that has the capabilities of self tuning.

depending on your vehicle the computer stops using that map at certain percent of warm up like 40, 50 or 70% not necessarily 100%.

i recommend letting it warm up for at least 5 minutes in winter dont just get in, turn on, and drive. metal expands inside your engine when hot enough thats why you hear that piston slap in the mornings and it goes away. so wait for your piston rings to get warm up and expand inside to get your full compression and maximize engine performance.
 
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i do it to let it warm up and make the inside comfortable to me. selfish i know, but i dont really care about the extra hydrocarbons or the .15 cents it cost me to let it idle for 10 minutes. my comfort is worth the extra change it cost to warm up.
 

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i do it to let it warm up and make the inside comfortable to me. selfish i know, but i dont really care about the extra hydrocarbons or the .15 cents it cost me to let it idle for 10 minutes. my comfort is worth the extra change it cost to warm up.

the ozone is only damage about 2% IIRC by automobiles the rest is from dead trees and shit.
global worming is bs just to get money out from you.


i did the same with my suburban and let it idle while i was getting ready to go to work. but since my tahoe doesnt have remote start i let it warm up about 5mn.
 

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when I fire my truck up on a cold morning, it idles about 500rpms higher then normal. I let it warm up untill the idle comes down, usually about 2-3 minutes. After that I just drive gingerly until it gets up to operating temperature.
 
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sweet, thanks for all the input , i think that ill just go with 5 to 7 minutes of warm up.
 

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I'll try the 5 mins warm up. The mornings here are in the teens and single digits, but I'll give it a shot tomorrow morning. But with a wife and 2 1/2 yr daughter, I perfer it to be warm inside for them.
 

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Warm your truck with pride and a smile and look at the bright side I know my remote start shuts down at 24 min. As for global warming, the only hot air is from the dumb ***** in Washington. They screwed up the HVAC/R industry stole money with BS rules. Whats next "farting"
 

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