Disconnecting 2021 OnStar

[BG1988]

Oh, using a GPS tagger in fleeing felon situation, probably no issues with that. It sounds like the officers can keep a safe distance but not lose contact and avoid a shoot out like you describe.

I seem to recall cars getting hacked and shut down. Wasn't there something about that?

What you described, being put by remote into limp home mode, doors unlocked is already in the car. It's here.

it's easy to hack a tesla and force a panic brake while it's going 75mph down the freeway... Im not going to disclose how to do it i don't want the information to be misused(by exploiting built in features ) this will also apply to other cars with similar feature(s)


This is theoretical hack has not been tested on the road and it should not be tested by anyone In theory it should work though.. it exploits the computer software into thinking it's a real time event ...

 

[waynehead99]

First... I agree, the surveillance on us as a whole is out of control and only getting worse.

But, to think that OnStar is the only thing in this vehicle that is collecting you data... well the idea is just silly. Remove the OnStar unit, you still have the cell service (my understanding these are two separate pieces). So you have removed a piece. Ok what about the cell phone in your pocket? Everyone gets all weird about Google and Amazon iOT devices "listening"... but sit there for hours hanging out on social media, playing dumb games... all of which are harvesting your life, let alone have BETTER capabilities of capturing data and listening to you, than a stationary device in your home/truck.

I live in this world... and work for a company that thrives on the idea of big data (which is pretty much any tech company out there). I know the data being collected on us, and I think it is absurd, but it is the life we signed up for as boiling frogs. Do we think we are going to stop it now? We should've all felt this way in the last century.

But on the flip side, I also agree, do what you can to minimize your footprint, but also be aware of reality... It's like sex and babies, you don't want to have babies, don't have sex. It's really your only full proof option. If you don't want surveillance done on you... get off the internet completely. It's really your only option.

For starters, maybe not be part of a truck forum that is collecting data on you too. Onstar is the least of your concerns.

Just trying to bring some reality to this whole discussion.

 

[Stbentoak]

I just drove it 1500 miles at 85-90 MPH.... Nobody called or turned me in....

 

[Doubeleive]

Oh, using a GPS tagger in fleeing felon situation, probably no issues with that. It sounds like the officers can keep a safe distance but not lose contact and avoid a shoot out like you describe.

I seem to recall cars getting hacked and shut down. Wasn't there something about that?

What you described, being put by remote into limp home mode, doors unlocked is already in the car. It's here.

It is on some vehicles via onstar, lojack, etc., but it is not a mandated universal function "yet" but it will be, might not happen in my lifetime but it will in my childrens.
GM's vision of the future of transit is no one will "own" a vehicle they will be leased/rented/pay per use (shared) only
this is just the beginning

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[Doubeleive]

 

[Doubeleive]

OR MAY-NOT

 

[CTown Duramax]

Made for ChiCom control. Remember, GM sees its future in the ChiCom market. CCP wants vehicles remote controlled. Funny, but when I was little I kept having a nightmare that I was in the back seat going down the road and no one was at the wheel. Now I am supposed to be awed that I am losing control of my car? I took a peek around steering, braking, gas pedal and there seem to be modules in like everywhere. There's going to be good business in removing this autonomous nightmare from our cars. I just saw something today on the Chevy website about introducing self-driving software into the new cars good for use in "95%" of situations. Only the tech obsessed Silicon Valley dweebs would do this and lose sight of what everyone else thinks of them. Hey, like I want drones buzzing my windows to deliver coffee. I'd throw a few grand at getting this crap surgically removed from my beautiful new Tahoe.

 

[CTown Duramax]

..just a matter of time for the technology to come online
police around here are already running 360deg license plate scanners, drones, deployable gps taggers (they shoot it and it sticks to your vehicle, then they back off and wait for you to stop somewhere), probably a few other gadgets. I have my police scanner on 24/7 I hear all this stuff being used. the license plate scanner drives my radar crazy because it's a laser scanner.

I think it's here already. What if my wife puts me in our 2021 Hoe's teenage driver monitoring program?

 

[CTown Duramax]

First... I agree, the surveillance on us as a whole is out of control and only getting worse.

But, to think that OnStar is the only thing in this vehicle that is collecting you data... well the idea is just silly.

The on star is a big data in big data profile leap if you're like me with a GPRS phone (no GPS location or browsing), browser protections, VPN, zero app use/devices, no contacts sharing, etc. I don't even sync my phone to my laptop. If it's free to you, you're the product.

What people are calling AI is really all about data points, data clusters and cluster comparisons. Work back ward from known subjects and compare. With astrophysics-sized numbers of data points, it all creates accurate predictive assumptions. Add voice and location data, and it's wicked.

So IMHO the addition of the data that gets scooped from these cars takes data aggregation business to a new level. No, none of us it feel it individually for now. Our engines aren't being immobilized for driving 80 in a 55 (although that is now entirely possible in these cars). But we are all making our little contributions of millions of data points to make the big data system work. All this tuff exists now, human resources software that lets employees go because they don't profile with more successful employees, voice data recognition for sales staff to decide whether to sweeten the offer because the customer's voice profile is saying y profiles with customers hanging up, etc., etc. It's all here right now.

 

[CTown Duramax]

The on star is a big leap in big data profile, especially if you're like me with a GPRS phone (no GPS location or browsing), browser protections, VPN, zero app use/devices, no contacts sharing, etc. I don't even sync my phone to my laptop. If it's free to you, you're the product.

What people are calling AI is really just processing and clustering and comparing clusters of data of an almost unlimited set of points. Work backward from known subjects and compare. This logic worked accurate with the MMPI. With astrophysics-sized numbers of data points, it all creates accurate predictive assumptions - eg, knowing whether you'll turn left or right before you even know you're going to make a turn. Add voice and location data, and it's wicked.

So IMHO the addition of the data that gets scooped from these cars takes data aggregation business to a new level. No, none of us it feel it individually for now. Our engines aren't being immobilized for driving 80 in a 55 (although that is now entirely possible in these cars). But we are all making our little contributions of millions of data points to make the big data system work. All this tuff exists now, human resources software that lets employees go because they don't profile with more successful employees, voice data recognition for sales staff to decide whether to sweeten the offer because the customer's voice profile is saying y profiles with customers hanging up, etc., etc. It's all here right now.

 

[Bill 1960]

First... I agree, the surveillance on us as a whole is out of control and only getting worse.

But, to think that OnStar is the only thing in this vehicle that is collecting you data... well the idea is just silly. Remove the OnStar unit, you still have the cell service (my understanding these are two separate pieces). So you have removed a piece. Ok what about the cell phone in your pocket? Everyone gets all weird about Google and Amazon iOT devices "listening"... but sit there for hours hanging out on social media, playing dumb games... all of which are harvesting your life, let alone have BETTER capabilities of capturing data and listening to you, than a stationary device in your home/truck.

I live in this world... and work for a company that thrives on the idea of big data (which is pretty much any tech company out there). I know the data being collected on us, and I think it is absurd, but it is the life we signed up for as boiling frogs. Do we think we are going to stop it now? We should've all felt this way in the last century.

But on the flip side, I also agree, do what you can to minimize your footprint, but also be aware of reality... It's like sex and babies, you don't want to have babies, don't have sex. It's really your only full proof option. If you don't want surveillance done on you... get off the internet completely. It's really your only option.

For starters, maybe not be part of a truck forum that is collecting data on you too. Onstar is the least of your concerns.

Just trying to bring some reality to this whole discussion.

You have a choice whether to take your phone everywhere you go. Although I’m sure a lot of people never exercise it. You can turn off location services.

You don’t HAVE to supply accurate personal identifiers to social media. My name’s not what what you read here. (And yes, I know about browser fingerprints but that’s getting quite technical for a general conversation)

GM doesn’t give us any choice.

I don’t buy the premise that just because the water is hot, we’re all done. People should speak up, and vote with their dollars.

Also, from a technical perspective, Onstar is a service, and it runs the telemetry and ALL it’s data across the cellular modem and the AT&T network. (I use “service” in the computer software context, not the context of a service to the consumer.) So kill the cellular modem and Onstar has no comms.

 

[Quark]

My 2012 becomes more dear by the day. What are these cell phones you speak of? But yes I do email online banking etc. so it makes little difference if in addition they can trace the route I take to town.

Edward Snowden was naive to think he could make a difference.

 

[SnowBuck]

Broke down once in the mountains of WV. Hit the OnStar and got "No Service in Your Area". Canceled it when I got home. BTW - absolutely true = I don't/never have owned a cell phone! Now I wonder if my Smart TV is watching ME ??? LOL

 

[Miami-Dade]

NO POLITICS OF ANY KIND or this thread will be locked.

 

[Doubeleive]

NO POLITICS OF ANY KIND or this thread will be locked.

it's a new federal mandate that all new vehicles must have drunk driving detection built in, i.e. erratic driving
better?, not unlike TPMS

 

[Bill 1960]

~ Now I wonder if my Smart TV is watching ME ??? LOL

You can stop wondering.

 

[Doubeleive]

Broke down once in the mountains of WV. Hit the OnStar and got "No Service in Your Area". Canceled it when I got home. BTW - absolutely true = I don't/never have owned a cell phone! Now I wonder if my Smart TV is watching ME ??? LOL

unless all you have is ota then yes it is

 

[wsteele]

I was driving my new rig down the road and said, "Hey Siri, play Steve Winwood", my wife shouts at me, "you have that thing on?", "they are listening to everything we say!", I said, "so why don't we give them something to remember?", she says, "I am serious!", I said, "so am I."

Best idea I had in maybe a year...

 

[Doubeleive]

I was driving my new rig down the road and said, "Hey Siri, play Steve Winwood", my wife shouts at me, "you have that thing on?", "they are listening to everything we say!", I said, "so why don't we give them something to remember?", she says, "I am serious!", I said, "so am I."

Best idea I had in maybe a year...

ya, I'm well aware of all the "modeling" that goes around in this household, between apple, google, amazon, facebook, roku, verizon, xfinity, tivo and whatever other apps are installed on my phone and the wifes and the kids ipads. they have all my bases covered lol. I can practically shout out and have it delivered while I am still sitting on the couch

 

[wsteele]

ya, I'm well aware of all the "modeling" that goes around in this household, between apple, google, amazon, facebook, roku, verizon, xfinity, tivo and whatever other apps are installed on my phone and the wifes and the kids ipads. they have all my bases covered lol. I can practically shout out and have it delivered while I am still sitting on the couch

My litmus test when it comes to AI is how well they do on what I want to watch next on TV. As long as they are recommending the Kardashian's I know the world is safe from AI...