BREAKING: GM is officially recalling the L87

[vcode]

I doubt you can get someone willing and able to spend 80 to 100k on a vehicle to downgrade to a 20 year old vehicle for purposes of reliability.

The entire auto industry would collapse under that scenario.

 

[vcode]

I addressed that (too) a few pages back. Since there was just a failure at 65,000 on the odometer, the so-called "failure rate" can only show the HISTORY of failures "to-date." That's it. With time/miles, there's no reason to think that all of the engines in the VIN range won't fail eventually. (Now, if all of the failures had occurred at some low mileage, then I'd be feeling good that I'm in the clear. But that't not the case.)

All engines? Sure, at what mileage, 500K? Unless there is a 100% defect rate on the suspect parts, there will be millions of these engines still chugging along years from now.

 

[Scagsdale]

It is my understanding that GM will not take a trade in because then they can’t sell them due to the stop sale. So we’re stuck even if we want to get rid of the car. A lot of people have a very expensive hunk of metal with payments on that hunk of metal they shouldn’t drive due to safety.

I got a text last week from the sales manager of my dealership (twice in one morning no less) asking me if I wanted to sell them my Denali. I replied to the second message, asking him if he knew my vehicle was under recall. Didn’t hear back from him after that.

 

[BacDoc]

I got a text last week from the sales manager of my dealership (twice in one morning no less) asking me if I wanted to sell them my Denali. I replied to the second message, asking him if he knew my vehicle was under recall. Didn’t hear back from him after that.

HaHa!
Sounds like a great salesman but doesn’t research the market!

 

[BacDoc]

It truly isn’t safe. If you are in the far left passing lane on a 3 or 4 lane highway and the engine goes, it would be so dangerous to have to get to the right side shoulder. God forbid you get stuck on the left side by a barrier. I’d be scared to death the broken down car would be smashed into killing you and your family. Or best case, you’d have to run across 3 or 4 lanes of highway traffic with your kids to safely get to the right side shoulder. I believe you lose power brake assist and steering as well if the engine isn’t driving your belts.

This is exactly the main point!!!!

Do we keep driving these ticking time bombs?

Legitimate question!

 

[Marky Dissod]

... doubt you can get someone willing and able to spend 80 to 100k on a vehicle,
to downgrade to a 20 year old vehicle for purposes of reliability.

It's well known that some people cannot be convinced with - and even go so far as to rebel against - facts.

That's just it. Some people have money to throw away and they will pay too much for these vehicles/trucks.
The ones that do not have "throw away money" and would be saddled with a monthly payment for literally years,
are getting smarter and realizing the headaches of the new ones and that new does not necessarily mean better.

IMO, for what my opinion counts, going so old that you would be in GMT400 and older range, also means harder to find good quality parts.
The GMT800 and GMT900 used vehicles/trucks have the bugs worked out and some fine lower mileage examples are out there. For instance:

2002 chevy silverado 2500hd for sale by owner - Damascus, OR - craigslist

Our beautiful 2002 Chevrolet Silverado 2500 HD V8 6.0L long bed 4x4 Only 116,000 miles This truck has ZERO issues Runs awesome Drives awesome Shifts amazing Everything works on it AC blows ice cold...

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I have seen it on other GM trucks/SUV forums where many members are having the same bad experiences or their friends are having problems.

(Admitting that I may never be able to afford to buy a brand new vehicle ...)
$15k-$30k on a properly-used GMT800 or GMT900 making it to 200,000 without major engine repairs,
is less of a gamble than $75k on a brand new GMTT1xx.

 

[Marky Dissod]

This is exactly the main point!!!!
Do we keep driving these ticking time bombs?
Legitimate question!

If you feel you must, 0w40 will give you more protection than 0W20.
Would you rather possibly void your warranty (likely not)? Or increase the likelihood of voiding your engine?

 

[Stbentoak]

I addressed that (too) a few pages back. Since there was just a failure at 65,000 on the odometer, the so-called "failure rate" can only show the HISTORY of failures "to-date." That's it. With time/miles, there's no reason to think that all of the engines in the VIN range won't fail eventually. (Now, if all of the failures had occurred at some low mileage, then I'd be feeling good that I'm in the clear. But that't not the case.)

There is also a possibility that these crank/ bearing "bad" components could have been made across multiple production lines/vendors to keep up with volume.... it's potentially feasible that if they had let's say 10 machines running cranks and only one of them were producing actual bad cranks, but they don't know which one..... that there could be some good ones out there.... but they don't know how to trace good and bad, so they have to recall them all.

3% might fail, 20% might fail, or 75% might fail. They don't really know and since they're not serialized, they can't trace them back. Thus...All have to be deemed bad/suspect...

 

[DuraYuk]

It's well known that some people cannot be convinced with - and even go so far as to rebel against - facts.(Admitting that I may never be able to afford to buy a brand new vehicle ...)
$15k-$30k on a properly-used GMT800 or GMT900 making it to 200,000 without major engine repairs,
is less of a gamble than $75k on a brand new GMTT1xx.

Yeah man I'm glad you would rather sink 20 to 30k on a old vehicle. But i promise those platforms have tons of issues and no warranty. Less safe too.

But I'm glad you found something you enjoy.

 

[BacDoc]

Prices are going up on the used GM trucks now. It is pretty much happening across the board because so many people want a more "analog" vehicle/SUV/truck than the even troublesome digital vehicles.

For reliability yes! No question about it, the older motors were solid and even if you had a problem it would rarely result in “Loss of Propulsion”

The main problem is we have become spoiled and addicted to ventilated seats, HD 360 cameras, adaptive cruise control etc
Tough to go back in time and technology if this truck is not a work vehicle or a part of revenue stream. There are many advancements in technology that we learn to need or at least make life easier and unfortunately we are paying the price.

For me it’s about safety and I love the technology and luxury aspect of the larger trucks that can handle people and cargo and can haul a$$ SAFELY!
That is what we pay for.