New Onstar Agreement Update email

[readyman]

Checking the Tahoe forum and the Corvette forum I'd expect more people to be 'up in arms' about this email I got from Onstar. Basically going from 'court order' to 'giving away' our driving data.

btw, This is a technical thread, not a political big brother Onstar>GM>UAW>$>Feds discussion.

Anyway, I unplugged the cell cable and sat cable to the Onstar unit(the two FAKRA connectors), so they can't talk to me... yet, and GPS info isn't flowing to the Onstar HQ.

We all know our Iphones keep 30 days worth of GPS. My Raymarine nav system kept entire boating seasons of trips for several years, EPIRB's should go on when you need 'em.

Does anyone know the memory capacity of the Motorola GPS Oncore board(or Onstar) in the Onstar unit?

I'm working on a GPS/cell? 'default on' switch with a manual 'off' switch on the dash.

Generally Onstar is not too bad, btw, gotta run, I have to go out and check that RR tire pressure, my monthly Onstar email says it's down 1psi.

 

[StevenFromTexas]

http://www.onstar.com/tunnel-web/we...ry/downloadable/PrivacyStatement-2011-USE.pdf

Very interesting.

---------- Post added at 01:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:06 PM ----------

I don't subscribe to OnStar. After reading their updated Privacy Statement that takes effect December 1, 2011, I just called 1-888-466-7827 to get the "data connection" to my vehicle deactivated, and was told that someone from their "Customer Loyalty Team" would have to call me on Monday, September 19, 2011 between 8:00 A.M. and 11:00 P.M. EST to discuss the matter!!!!!!!

Geez, that ought to be an interesting phone conversation. I don't have OnStar, and it sounds like they're going to try and get me to subscribe, rather than deactivate the "data connection" to my vehicle.

 

[readyman]

Yeah, don't forget to bring up the part where, if you unsubscribe, they will still access and use(share) your data.

http://www.onstar.com/tunnel-web/we...ry/downloadable/PrivacyStatement-2011-USE.pdf

Very interesting.

---------- Post added at 01:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:06 PM ----------

I don't subscribe to OnStar. After reading their updated Privacy Statement that takes effect December 1, 2011, I just called 1-888-466-7827 to get the "data connection" to my vehicle deactivated, and was told that someone from their "Customer Loyalty Team" would have to call me on Monday, September 19, 2011 between 8:00 A.M. and 11:00 P.M. EST to discuss the matter!!!!!!!

Geez, that ought to be an interesting phone conversation. I don't have OnStar, and it sounds like they're going to try and get me to subscribe, rather than deactivate the "data connection" to my vehicle.

 

[StevenFromTexas]

I just love that OnStar is keeping track of the time when I turn the ignition on and off, and when I refuel. Hey, OnStar, you can take the gas nozzle and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

 

[ryanls1]

Thats very interesting. And to think if they can collect that info even if you dont have an account, I cant even imagine how many cars have been built with the onstar feature. Thats a whole lot of data


And whats that about giving our info to credit card processors? WTF??

 

[soulsea]

Yeah, like all things 'connected' there are always privacy issues.
Between my mobile, iPad, on star, computer, directv, credit/debit cards, I'm permanently tethered to the matrix.
There really are only two ways to approach this:
1. Spend every waking minute fighting it
2. Be indifferent to it
Picking one battle with on star whilst letting the other elements go is pointless.
RFID suppository anyone?

 

[THE YETI]

Meh, could care less. Half the people bitching about it in the world all have Facebook profiles which are ten times worse.

Live life and enjoy, who cares if you are being watched.

 

[StevenFromTexas]

And whats that about giving our info to credit card processors? WTF??

It goes something like this: John Q. Public purchased fuel at a Shell station at 1:30 P.M. on Tuesday, December 13, 2011. John's address is 123 Anywhere Street in Lubbock, TX. John likes to fuel at lots of Shell stations each week and drives a brand new Tahoe. If John doesn't have a Shell credit card with an address of 123 Anywhere Street in Lubbock, TX, you (Shell) might want to send him an application for a Shell credit card.

Oh, how about this sometime in the future: Someone was seen driving away from the scene of a murder driving a red 2013 Escalade. Local law enforcement asks OnStar for a list of all red 2013 Escalades in the vicinity of such-and-such an address at 3:40 A.M. on the morning of January 5, 2014.

Don't think it can happen? Think again.

 

[readyman]

Those cheap pocket sized chinese cell/gps/3g jammers work fine for the other stuff, the trouble is I don't know when OnStar polls my Tahoe for a data dump.

Yeah, like all things 'connected' there are always privacy issues.
Between my mobile, iPad, on star, computer, directv, credit/debit cards, I'm permanently tethered to the matrix.
There really are only two ways to approach this:
1. Spend every waking minute fighting it
2. Be indifferent to it
Picking one battle with on star whilst letting the other elements go is pointless.
RFID suppository anyone?

 

[StevenFromTexas]

Law enforcement pays OnStar for a database showing where the most vehicles percentage-wise drive six miles or faster over the speed limit. Guess where the police will do their next speedtrap?

 

[THE YETI]

Yeah, I can tell u right now they aren't gonna pay to get that info, it's obvious where it happens already, why pay? They already have the resources to get that intel for free.

 

[THE YETI]

On a side note, I will agree with the murder scenario. So, I'd you own a GM, don't commit murders in it. Duh.

 

[StevenFromTexas]

Just think of the irony: You pay OnStar so OnStar can supply the rope to hang yourself.

 

[readyman]

Just think of the irony: You pay OnStar so OnStar can supply the rope to hang yourself.

Yup, the facts are in the court records...

 

[StevenFromTexas]

Here's a story -- or one similar to it -- that you'll see in the future for the sheep that stay with OnStar:


Dateline -- July 25, 2012 -- John Q. Public was arrested for assaulting his soon-to-be ex-wife, Sally Sue, after opening a marketing letter from OnStar offering him a 10% discount at Hilton Hotels & Resorts if he quit paying cash for Monday night stays with his wife, and instead signed up for an American Express credit card to pay for the overnight room rentals. Police reports stated that OnStar kept records of where his Yukon was every Monday night, and OnStar had sold the information to Hilton Hotels & Resorts. Hilton Hotels & Resorts cross-checked its records and realized that if it could get the Publics to use an American Express credit card, it could get a large fee from American Express, and American Express would wave all merchant fees any time the Publics used its credit card at Hilton Hotels & Resorts. A win-win situation for OnStar, Hilton Hotels & Resorts, and American Express.

Unfortunately, Sally Sue Public had been lying to husband, and instead had been sleeping with John's brother at Hilton Hotels & Resorts every Monday night while John had been working a second job to make ends meet at home. John filed for divorce as soon as he bailed out of jail. Sally Sue is now residing with John's brother. John, Sally Sue, and John's brother have all filed suits against OnStar, Hilton Hotels & Resorts, and American Express. The three defendant corporations all declined to comment on the legal proceedings other than to state that is was all John's fault that the assault occurred.

 

[THE YETI]

Moral of story: don't lie.

 

[soulsea]

Here's a story -- or one similar to it -- that you'll see in the future for the sheep that stay with OnStar ...

There's a forum called abovetopsecret where I spent many years and almost 14000 posts where you would fit right in ... of course you have to call folks 'sheeple' not sheep to be one of the cool kids.

Indifference is not the same as ignorance.

And now I give this:

 

[Gzes]

Damn if I had onstar on my truck I would tear that shit outa my truck in a min and burn that shit. I don't have a Facebook nor myspace and don't want people to track me like ******* game. It has to be breaking a law for tracking to. Even if you don't have subscription with them.

 

[THE YETI]

what law?

 

[Gzes]

Personal privacy? It seems like they are stalking you like if you were a deer.