Anybody else less than enthusiastic about the direction Chevy is taking with the Tahoes and suburbans?

[Blueinterceptor]

Is anybody less than thrilled with the direction Chevy is taking with the Tahoes and suburbans.?
I mean the designs are looking less truck like. If I wanted my truck to look like a traverse or equinox, I’d get one. The technology is nice but with the new tech, they’ve taken away the things I bought the trucks for. The locking diff is no where near what it used to be. The internal tech is not always reliable. The engine and lifter issues are a disaster. The navigation system was better with the SIM card. Ground clearance, haha. The gas tank has the capacity of a large sedan. They are imho becoming more like station wagons. No tow hooks or a means to put them on? Except for z71, ridiculous. Mandatory sunroofs with towing packages!
Maybe I’m wrong.

 

[swathdiver]

Some of what you say are a sign of the times and what GM perceives as what the customer wants.

For at least the last 50 years, each GM brand has had their offerings with a similar look.

GM knows that it costs fuel to carry fuel around. They size fuel tanks to achieve a certain range for city and highway driving and it differs by vehicle size. The more efficient the drivetrain, the further it will go with less fuel. Personally, I like more fuel onboard too.

Now that emissions standard for autos are gone, we should see larger fuel tanks again for gasoline equipped vehicles. Under the old rules, the gas tank was part of the emissions system and the aftermarket couldn't touch that with a 10-foot pole without the Feds going after them. All of that nonsense is gone now.

In the next year or so we'll see Start/Stop, AFM and DEF disappear forever and technology we've not imagined show up and revolutionize the industry. We might also see some old designs dusted off and brought back into production again because they were inexpensive to produce, operate and lasted a long time, like the Buick 3800 series engines.

 

[Blueinterceptor]

I hope what you’re saying is true. I like LEDs over the incandescents. But the designs are leaving something to be desired, at least for me. In the 21-24 the lack of LEDs or to be able to use them in the rear lights were very annoying. The nav system requiring an OnStar subscription to get the speed limit information was a cheap shot.

 

[B-train]

I agree 100% with @Blueinterceptor. The newest stuff from 2021 on have not grown on me yet. I feel they are extremely overpriced, WAY too much gaudy tech, cost cutting up the ***** which leads to less than desired issues/longevity.

Unless the BS CAFE stuff that has been implemented actually goes away, and quality engineering makes a comeback, the likelihood of any of these new SUVs residing in my garage is slim to none. I'll keep updating with lower mileage 2017-2020 and do basic maintenance and repairs as needed. You can buy a lot of parts for the cost difference between new and used.

 

[tooleyondeck]

lower mileage 2018-2020 and do basic maintenance and repairs as needed.

This is the sweet spot, and will be the newest GM SUV I would consider (for now at least). However, I came awfully close earlier this year to snagging a 23 Tahoe RST Performance Edition, but luckily I didn't let those Brembos fool me into ignoring the blaring issues with the L87 lol

 

[GMCChevy]

2017-2019 is the years to get. Nothing wrong with 2017. 2020 was into the pandemic problems.

There are some things I like about the newer ones but appearance isn't one of them and every generation gets more dependent on electronics.

 

[homesick]

Some of what you say are a sign of the times and what GM perceives as what the customer wants.

For at least the last 50 years, each GM brand has had their offerings with a similar look.

GM knows that it costs fuel to carry fuel around. They size fuel tanks to achieve a certain range for city and highway driving and it differs by vehicle size. The more efficient the drivetrain, the further it will go with less fuel. Personally, I like more fuel onboard too.

Now that emissions standard for autos are gone, we should see larger fuel tanks again for gasoline equipped vehicles. Under the old rules, the gas tank was part of the emissions system and the aftermarket couldn't touch that with a 10-foot pole without the Feds going after them. All of that nonsense is gone now.

In the next year or so we'll see Start/Stop, AFM and DEF disappear forever and technology we've not imagined show up and revolutionize the industry. We might also see some old designs dusted off and brought back into production again because they were inexpensive to produce, operate and lasted a long time, like the Buick 3800 series engines.

I've thought about this some...

I wonder how much advantage manufacturers will actually take of the relaxation of federal vehicle regulations, because...

I wonder how far ahead designs are decided on.

joe

 

[GMCChevy]

I've thought about this some...

I wonder how much advantage manufacturers will actually take of the relaxation of federal vehicle regulations, because...

I wonder how far ahead designs are decided on.

I wonder how much risk manufacturers perceive there is in making large and/or many changes; knowing that the next presidential administration could as easily change the rules, again, as the current one changed them.

I think the possibility that there won't be much change is worth considering.

Also, I wonder if the forum ninnies will whine about this post, and have it removed. There is no comment here designed to favor any political or environmental philosophy. It's only a reading of a situation, as the situation appears to me, based on finances.

joe

Any change won't be immediate. The start/stop would probably go away first but afm etc probabky won't go anywhere.
They'll probably wait it out a bit because you never know what will happen in 4 years.

 

[homesick]

Any change won't be immediate. The start/stop would probably go away first but afm etc probabky won't go anywhere.
They'll probably wait it out a bit because you never know what will happen in 4 years.

LOL, wish I'd thought of that.

joe

 

[swathdiver]

Unless the BS CAFE stuff that has been implemented actually goes away

CAFE is gone.

I wonder how much risk manufacturers perceive there is in making large and/or many changes; knowing that the next presidential administration could as easily change the rules, again, as the current one changed them.

The changes that have taken place can only be undone through both houses of Congress with a supermajority vote. That isn't likely to happen again in a long long time.

HR4117 will pass sometime this month and cement these changes into law with regards to automotive EPA regs.

It seems to me that most people don't realize yet what's actually happened with regards to automotive emissions standards and the protections that have been put in place to ensure that they are difficult if not impossible to change.

When HR4117 passes, states will be stripped of the authority to do emissions testing as the standards presently don't exist anymore. The states will no longer be allowed to set emissions standards either. CARB is scrambling to stay relevant.

The automotive industry has quickly adapted to changes coming from Washington and there is no reason to expect otherwise when they've been granted freedom and not expensive mandates. Think about it.

 

[Blueinterceptor]

I was thinking the 25’s were going to be last Chevy Tahoe and suburban. If you guys are right, I might have one more in me.

 

[homesick]

I was thinking the 25’s were going to be last Chevy Tahoe and suburban. If you guys are right, I might have one more in me.

You thought they'd be YOUR last or THE last?

joe

 

[PPV_2018]

Nothing’s going to change from the manufacturer standpoint. They’ll keep doing what they’re doing now. You can say well the laws have been changed. Who’s to say those laws wont change again in 4 years. Manufacturers are business that only care about the bottom line, and the risk vs. reward to go back to coal powered locomotives because the regulation has been repealed is not there. AS/S, DFM, DEF, and ETC aren’t going anywhere. And yes, I’m aware new diesels wont be limited to 5 mph anymore when out of DEF.

In regards to OP, Have you seen a pickup truck lately? They’re station wagons with a bed. Everyone round my way has a 3/4 or 1 ton truck. Every truck is optioned out to max, these trucks never go off the pavement and nobody tows squat. Maybe a tiny utility trailer that could be towed amply by a 2006 Subaru wagon. It always makes me chuckle how guys measure success in life by who has the biggest and baddest , most expensive WORK truck.

i prefer older vehicles Myself because i actually value comfort+reliability over tech+efficiency… But I prefer utilitarian, bare bones models over anything else anyways: i am an anomaly consumer. I may always keep an older model vehicle in my fleet, but I can’t say I’m going to drive X model year for the rest of my life because it’s unrealistic.

 

[swathdiver]

Nothing’s going to change from the manufacturer standpoint. They’ll keep doing what they’re doing now. You can say well the laws have been changed. Who’s to say those laws wont change again in 4 years. Manufacturers are business that only care about the bottom line, and the risk vs. reward to go back to coal powered locomotives because the regulation has been repealed is not there. AS/S, DFM, DEF, and ETC aren’t going anywhere.

A new administration cannot change the regulations or laws without a super majority vote in both houses of Congress and the President's signature. A Presidential decree won't work either. The EPA does not have an enforcement arm anymore and all emissions regulations pertaining to automobiles have been removed and the EPA can't make stuff up like the Endangerment Finding without going through Congress.

If you haven't noticed, MOPAR is all in on taking advantage of this new found freedom and will be stuffing 426 Hemis under everything with a hood soon.

 

[rlhmarines]

The one constant thing in life is change, always has been and it will continue to be true.

Manufacturers have a long lead time when it comes to development of products especially cars and trucks. The new V8 engines that GM has spent billions on in development costs are already baked in and are about be released shortly.

There will not be a short term change in how they look at emissions due to the fact that administrations will change and policies will also change plus it would amount to more money (millions) to be spent in additional development cost.

 

[homesick]

Nothing’s going to change from the manufacturer standpoint. They’ll keep doing what they’re doing now. You can say well the laws have been changed. Who’s to say those laws wont change again in 4 years. Manufacturers are business that only care about the bottom line, and the risk vs. reward to go back to coal powered locomotives because the regulation has been repealed is not there. AS/S, DFM, DEF, and ETC aren’t going anywhere. And yes, I’m aware new diesels wont be limited to 5 mph anymore when out of DEF.

In regards to OP, Have you seen a pickup truck lately? They’re station wagons with a bed. Everyone round my way has a 3/4 or 1 ton truck. Every truck is optioned out to max, these trucks never go off the pavement and nobody tows squat. Maybe a tiny utility trailer that could be towed amply by a 2006 Subaru wagon. It always makes me chuckle how guys measure success in life by who has the biggest and baddest , most expensive WORK truck.

i prefer older vehicles Myself because i actually value comfort+reliability over tech+efficiency… But I prefer utilitarian, bare bones models over anything else anyways: i am an anomaly consumer. I may always keep an older model vehicle in my fleet, but I can’t say I’m going to drive X model year for the rest of my life because it’s unrealistic.

I think that, among other reasons, guys like big trucks and SUVs because they're the last vehicles that haven't been force-shrunk around us.

joe

 

[OBSandaNNBS]

Is anybody less than thrilled with the direction Chevy is taking with the Tahoes and suburbans.?

I've HATED their looks since the first one I saw. The trucks in particular look like a Carp fish
The escalade is OK. That's an opinion though.

What isn't option is they are making engineering choices that don't make sense for the consumer.

If you haven't noticed, MOPAR is all in on taking advantage of this new found freedom and will be stuffing 426 Hemis under everything with a hood soon.

Such a Dodge thing to do....

 

[GMCChevy]

If it can change so quickly once it can happen again. The only thing preventing it would be the push back for not going back to the stupidity of the stringent levels in place now.

It's not very likely to pass the way it is going back to having no standards ending up with gas guzzling polluting vehicles causing the smog and other problems that caused the laws to come into place to begin with.

But it's about time they stop trying to push out gas vehicles for so called zero emissions electric ones and come to the realization that something needs to change. Things have gone too far. It's crazy when it comes down to even affecting the size of gas tank and can cause engines to become so unreliable and the various problems with diesel.

 

[the 18th letter]

I need to measure my cargo space because I feel my 99 has offered the most since 06. Maybe I’m just not ready to start shoving stuff into the back of my 15 until the trim starts coming off. They ail be able to remove the U in SUV soon, or at least lower case it. SuV for less utility.
My understanding is that CAFE still exists but the fines have been reduced to zero.

 

[Blueinterceptor]

if Chevrolet has the ability to reprogram the auto stop and cylinder deactivation and turn them off. They should offer that service. Especially if it will lead to increased engine life.