BREAKING: GM is officially recalling the L87

[23Seven]

Lmao. That's funny.

All I did was post objective data. But way to keep the discussion going.

I never measured how far I can piss? Is that something yall did in the 70s? Sorry man im not that old. I dont know the lingo.

Its not rocket science to A look and read the recall in its entirety. B to realize that just because the displacement is the same as an engine 20 years older that it isnt the same engine. C.) Realize the 0w-20 is still the manufacture recommended oil D.) That there are millions upon millions of 6.2 with 0w-20 and other engines that run it without issue E.) That it isnt a conspiracy to want efficiency and gas mileage.

But I hear ya. Fact checking ain't the cool thing to do these days. Hahaha

I hope you guys are having a good day.

Better yet why not put some gear oil in? I mean let's get max protection. Maybe some Lucas oil stabilizer. Yall remember the little displays by the parts counter? Its gotta work right ? Right? Hahahaha

Just to set the record straight. I am one of those guys that research the hell out of everything especially when it involves my investments. I’m just here with my opinions that are based on reading expert opinions and I lean the way that makes sense and it has nothing to do with feelings.

I won’t debate you because I’m watching more than a couple people that just flat out make more sense than you do. You then put words in peoples mouths that think differently than you. You are entertaining to watch and read your “opinions” that you think are facts. Carry on court jester.

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

Just to move on..... I saw a GM dealer ad for a used Silverado with the 6.2L that claimed the recall had been performed. Did they just change the oil and say all done? Or has the recall campaign actually started?

The recall campaign officially started on dealer stock (both new and used) with the *001 bulletin. There are numerous you tube videos of techs performing it. The reason it started here is because no vehicle with a safety recall can be sold…so they have to get the on the lot stuff done to re-enable those vehicles to be sellable.

GM also launched a program for dealers with unsellable stock to provide them capital to cover their inventory while it is not sellable.

See all the details in the 19 documents here

https://www.nhtsa.gov/?nhtsaId=25V274000

 

[DuraYuk]

Just to set the record straight. I am one of those guys that research the hell out of everything especially when it involves my investments. I’m just here with my opinions that are based on reading expert opinions and I lean the way that makes sense and it has nothing to do with feelings.

I won’t debate you because I’m watching more than a couple people that just flat out make more sense than you do. You then put words in peoples mouths that think differently than you. You are entertaining to watch and read your “opinions” that you think are facts. Carry on court jester.

Can you highlight some of my opinions you found funny?

Im curious. Especially since you 'research'

Also what do you consider an 'expert'?

I may be an 'expert myself depending on your own metric. I only did heavy line for GM, was corvette certified, am a ase master tech, taught at trade schools and helped set up countless others. And I only do mechatronics engineering now and help with the family used dealership. But I may be under qualified depending on your own bar so I concede that point.

I could use a good laugh too.

I think the more telling part is that I dont agree with some of the BS stated here. But im also not the one hurling insults like a scolded child either.

Im just trying to help the others who may use the forums as a form of real factual enlightenment as few and far between as that audience may be. If anything i try to make sure i dont post an opinion because it could be objectively incorrect.

Hope you are having a good day, stay positive

 

[Polo08816]

Your saying because the bearing is similar to an engine made almost 20 years ago that the design is the same ?

It makes no sense lol. And Im glad you remember me. Rent free.

Hopefully people can read between the lines. I guess this is why people dont use forums as much anymore. Its opinions instead of fact.

I will also say I dont need to resort to name calling when all im doing is providing objective data that can be looked up by anyone and not using my own cooked up data from my garage.

Im not sure what your angle is. But usually its to sell something when data isnt used. The last time we had this merry go round thats exactly what it was.

I've clearly hurt your feelings. That's not my intent. I just hate misinformation that you are pushing my Rockstar.

Im just here to fact check and be objective and make the discussion go along positively.

If you are offended thats not my intent. But I guess these days fact checking is a slurr lol

Why are you always getting into arguments with a bunch of forum members?

 

[DuraYuk]

Why are you always getting into arguments with a bunch of forum members?

I think im just not as old as the audience here. And I hate misinformation. It also helps me stay sharp. What about you ? Did you ever end up in a GM suv? Or you still looking into it? I also wouldn't call it arguing more like a positive debate. At least until someone starts throwing insults.

I try to keep a professional disposition as thats how I was raised.

 

[Polo08816]

I think im just not as old as the audience here. And I hate misinformation. It also helps me stay sharp. What about you ? Did you ever end up in a GM suv? Or you still looking into it? I also wouldn't call it arguing more like a positive debate. At least until someone starts throwing insults.

I try to keep a professional disposition as thats how I was raised.

Taking delivery of a 2025 F150 with the 5.0 in early July from Granger Ford. Decided to go that route instead of a Sierra 1500 with a 6.2 because GM seems to not be able to make a reliable NA V8 engines these days.

It’s more of a buyer’s market for 1/2 ton pickups now and the 2025 is a refresh year for the GM and Ford SUVs. Either type of vehicle (pickup or SUV) would have work for us right now.

We’ll look for our SUV replacement the next time around. We still like the Suburban and would definitely consider it if GM figures out the problems with their NA V8s. If we don’t need something as large as the Suburban, we’ll probably opt for a X7.

 

[DuraYuk]

Taking delivery of a 2025 F150 with the 5.0 in early July from Granger Ford. Decided to go that route instead of a Sierra 1500 with a 6.2 because GM seems to not be able to make a reliable NA V8 engines these days.

It’s more of a buyer’s market for 1/2 ton pickups now and the 2025 is a refresh year for the GM and Ford SUVs. Either type of vehicle (pickup or SUV) would have work for us right now.

We’ll look for our SUV replacement the next time around. We still like the Suburban and would definitely consider it if GM figures out the problems with their NA V8s. If we don’t need something as large as the Suburban, we’ll probably opt for a X7.

Yeah for sure. The pickup market is cooked. Tons of discounts. The 5.0 is a great motor. My pops had a fleet of 5.0 base f150s and they ran and ran some with 300k with just basic maintenance. His drivers were not kind to them either.

 

[cornicekurt]

The same is true for everything in life. The difference is whether the company stands behind their mistake.

Are we just punching the air or?

Humans make things. And things can break. What would you like the solution to be?

New engines, extended warranty. What else ?

I’m a fleet guy with a construction company that plays hand me downs to the new guys. Veterans get the new vehicles. They all take their trucks home and I don’t complain about personal use. I currently have 4 of these engines. One has thrown the doomsday code but not blown up yet. My oldest in service is a 2006. I’ve asked this young man to let me get him in a newer truck but his life’s mission is to see it through to 500k. The engine will probably make it but I’m tired of the way it represents us. Rockers are gone. Windshield frame is leaking and the glass people won’t replace the glass because of the ring rust. My point is…. Over half of my vehicles have over 200k and several beyond 300. All without anything serious going wrong. If these 4 all blow up at 180 I’m not going to be happy and I’ll be going straight to Ford vehicles.

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

I think the 5.3 will make big miles, and hopefully the in spec 6.2’s do to. Lifters still may get us, we will see.

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

And, here’s the official communication on the 150k coverage. Looks like bottom end only.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2025/MC-11018541-0001.pdf

 

[23Seven]

Can you highlight some of my opinions you found funny?

Im curious. Especially since you 'research'

Also what do you consider an 'expert'?

I may be an 'expert myself depending on your own metric. I only did heavy line for GM, was corvette certified, am a ase master tech, taught at trade schools and helped set up countless others. And I only do mechatronics engineering now and help with the family used dealership. But I may be under qualified depending on your own bar so I concede that point.

I could use a good laugh too.

I think the more telling part is that I dont agree with some of the BS stated here. But im also not the one hurling insults like a scolded child either.

Im just trying to help the others who may use the forums as a form of real factual enlightenment as few and far between as that audience may be. If anything i try to make sure i dont post an opinion because it could be objectively incorrect.

Hope you are having a good day, stay positive

Well I see you are a legend in your own mind.

I’ve only been in the business since I started in 1989. GM, Toyota, and switched up to Tesla now.

But like I said I won’t debate anyone as closed minded and arrogant as yourself. You are the smartest guy in the room obviously!

 

[Polo08816]

Not a legend. Just providing some context.

Oh nice. Tesla probably keeps you busy.
Couldn't even imagine the headaches you deal with. They still have NDA for techs or was that just in the beginning?
How's the pay structure? Shaky road ahead for them for sure.

Being serious right now and not trying to give you a hard time. I really cannot discuss inside info on the Tesla front right now for what I’m sure you realize are obvious reasons. Sorry man. But we can still raz each other about 6.2’s and oil. LOL

 

[Miami-Dade]

Please keep this civil. I cleaned up several posts and almost ready to lock this thread. I knew from the get-go this thread would go sideways just didn't know when.

Once again keep it civil.
Thank You!

 

[viven44]

It's all short-term anyway. Thankfully people have very short-term memory and usually are too greedy to pass up on best-in-class for the $ spent. Tesla is just waaay ahead in technology in the EV segment....

 

[mkcotton]

Take the L and move on.

Fact: L87 was not designed for 0W-20, modified maybe (after ORNL tests), but not designed. Clearly there is a defect in a batch of L87s (21-24), so most likely not directly attributable to oil.

Opinion: I’ve always changed the oil on my new vehicles very early in the break-in cycle (usually around 1000 miles) to ensure *any debris is removed before it could cause damage. Of course this does require good manufacturing, which is clearly not the case here.

Like many here, I have been running 0W-40 since 1000 miles and will continue regardless of the many “Internet PhDs”

2023 Sierria & 2024 Yukon Denali.

 

[vcode]

The recall campaign officially started on dealer stock (both new and used) with the *001 bulletin. There are numerous you tube videos of techs performing it. The reason it started here is because no vehicle with a safety recall can be sold…so they have to get the on the lot stuff done to re-enable those vehicles to be sellable.

GM also launched a program for dealers with unsellable stock to provide them capital to cover their inventory while it is not sellable.

See all the details in the 19 documents here

https://www.nhtsa.gov/?nhtsaId=25V274000

I assume that safety recall thing just applies to GM dealers? Because I remember seeing ton of used triplets for sale at other dealers with the airbag recall still open.....

 

[vcode]

Thanks for the back and forth with DuraDope, it has been fun to follow, but some people are born with a stupid gene… DD is hopeless.

Fact: L87 was not designed for 0W-20, modified maybe (after ORNL tests), but not designed. Clearly there is a defect in a batch of L87s (21-24), so most likely not directly attributable to oil.

Opinion: I’ve always changed the oil on my new vehicles very early in the break-in cycle (usually around 1000 miles) to ensure *any debris is removed before it could cause damage. Of course this does require good manufacturing, which is clearly not the case here.

Like many here, I have been running 0W-40 since 1000 miles and will continue regardless of the many “Internet PhDs”

2023 Sierria & 2024 Yukon Denali.

And that begs the question..... would there even be a recall if not for the defective parts?

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

I assume that safety recall thing just applies to GM dealers? Because I remember seeing ton of used triplets for sale at other dealers with the airbag recall still open.....

Technically no. NHTSA says no vehicle can be sold with an open safety recall. But I think a bunch of exceptions were granted for the Takata airbag fiasco, since parts were not available. Suspect maybe GM could apply for an exception here, but who knows if it would be granted or not. While this recall is large, it’s tiny compared to the Takata Airbag one.

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

And that begs the question..... would there even be a recall if not for the defective parts?

There would not, because presumably we wouldn’t be seeing all these bottom end fails without the defective cranks and sediment…

 

[DenaliCountry]

My Neighbors 2022 Denali XL just ate a bearing at 51K miles. This is a pretty unbelievable situation.