BREAKING: GM is officially recalling the L87

[vcode]

Technically no. NHTSA says no vehicle can be sold with an open safety recall. But I think a bunch of exceptions were granted for the Takata airbag fiasco, since parts were not available. Suspect maybe GM could apply for an exception here, but who knows if it would be granted or not. While this recall is large, it’s tiny compared to the Takata Airbag one.

Interesting. But I remember seeing them long after parts were available. Maybe they were milking the exceptions. I know the GM dealer fixed mine after I traded it in.

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

My Neighbors 2022 Denali XL just ate a bearing at 51K miles. This is a pretty unbelievable situation.

Yup, I am getting nervous about hooking my boat on my 37k mile denali and taking a 700 mile trip to Canada next week...

 

[jfoj]

@WalleyeMikeIII

I would put fresh 0W40 oil in the truck before you take your trip, especially when towing.

 

[23Seven]

My Neighbors 2022 Denali XL just ate a bearing at 51K miles. This is a pretty unbelievable situation.

Can you ask him a few questions?

What oil?

Did they drive with DFM abled or disabled via Range or L9?

Auto/Stop abled or disabled if they weren’t using L9 or Range?

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

@WalleyeMikeIII

I would put fresh 0W40 oil in the truck before you take your trip, especially when towing.

I’ve already towed this boat 9000 miles with this rig. Doubt much I can do now would alter any outcome.

 

[jfoj]

Vehicle falls under the recall, correct? I would change to 0W40 for best measures.

 

[BacDoc]

I’ve already towed this boat 9000 miles with this rig. Doubt much I can do now would alter any outcome.

Me too!
Almost. I have just over 10k miles on my 2024 Tahoe and tow my boat couple times a month, only 12-15 miles each way to the boat ramp but I have a lot of miles percentage wise towing.

I would use 0-40W but like Sad Marky says - figure out a way to get that engine replaced ASAP lol!

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

Me too!
Almost. I have just over 10k miles on my 2024 Tahoe and tow my boat couple times a month, only 12-15 miles each way to the boat ramp but I have a lot of miles percentage wise towing.

I would use 0-40W but like Sad Marky says - figure out a way to get that engine replaced ASAP lol!

Assuming you set up the towing software right, it will keep track of the miles you tow.

 

[BacDoc]

Assuming you set up the towing software right, it will keep track of the miles you tow.

I did the initial trailer set up and I think I did everything. I will have to go through the manual and see how to get the data.

This Tahoe tows so nice that I have had several trips without switching to tow mode. I started out and realized, I forgot to switch to trailer mode!
I don’t know if switching modes while in motion is possible but I never did that. I always thought that like Issac - a body in motion……

 

[DuraYuk]

Technically no. NHTSA says no vehicle can be sold with an open safety recall. But I think a bunch of exceptions were granted for the Takata airbag fiasco, since parts were not available. Suspect maybe GM could apply for an exception here, but who knows if it would be granted or not. While this recall is large, it’s tiny compared to the Takata Airbag one.

No federal law against sale of open recall used vehicles. Just NEW. I think california is only state with a law about open recalls on used

 

[jfoj]

Open Recalls and Stop-Sale Directives on New and Used Vehicles

The question for dealers at that time was whether a manufacturer could prohibit a dealer from selling used vehicles in dealership inventory, which

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The Stop Sale on used and demo/loaner vehicles triggers a higher risk for the dealer and even possibly the manufacturer.

It seems if the car is already kicked over the curb, there is less overall risk to the dealer/manufacturer because it is already in the owners possession.

I think most dealers, even used car dealers like Carmax and other larger used dealers try to avoid selling a vehicle with an open recall even if there is not a law forbidding the sale. No idea if the auto auctions search and disclose open recalls prior to auction. Some states may have further rules as well.

It's all about risk and liability.

A slippery slope when the law firms taste blood in the water.

 

[DuraYuk]

Open Recalls and Stop-Sale Directives on New and Used Vehicles

The question for dealers at that time was whether a manufacturer could prohibit a dealer from selling used vehicles in dealership inventory, which

digitaldealer.com

The Stop Sale on used and demo/loaner vehicles triggers a higher risk for the dealer and even possibly the manufacturer.

It seems if the car is already kicked over the curb, there is less overall risk to the dealer/manufacturer because it is already in the owners possession.

I think most dealers, even used car dealers like Carmax and other larger used dealers try to avoid selling a vehicle with an open recall even if there is not a law forbidding the sale. No idea if the auto auctions search and disclose open recalls prior to auction. Some states may have further rules as well.

It's all about risk and liability.

A slippery slope when the law firms taste blood in the water.

Auctions sometimes list an open recall. But it doesnt move the needle in terms of what those vehicles sell for. It just says 'open recal' not the cause or effect.

Like I've said before most independent used dealers dont look up recalls on every vehicle in their possession. Its just not logistically always feasible. Now if its something that's known far and wide and has attention it can be different. Wholesale values haven't shifted in any meaningful way since this recall was announced.

Gm and manufacturer dealers being different. Theres no incentive to sell used vehicles with open recalls when the dealer itself could fix the car. Im speaking to independent used dealers.

 

[vcode]

I saw vehicles at a Ford and Mercedes dealer swith the airbag recall. No GM dealers. Mine was fixed the day after I traded it in.

 

[Marky Dissod]

This Tahoe tows so nice that I have had several trips without switching to tow mode. I started out and realized, I forgot to switch to trailer mode!
I don’t know if switching modes while in motion is possible but I never did that.

Switch to Tow / Haul mode as soon as you realize /remember that you're towing / hauling.
Newton would approve of you choosing the more appropriate shift tables.

 

[BacDoc]

Switch to Tow / Haul mode as soon as you realize /remember that you're towing / hauling.
Newton would approve of you choosing the more appropriate shift tables.

This is good advice and what I try to do. One problem is I am hardcore offshore fishing and the mind set of pre dawn check list is mostly geared towards safety 20 miles out and I hook up the trailer the night before.

I usually switch the mode to tow but sometimes I am already on the road and up to 35-40 mph before I realize I forgot to switch.

My question is - is it ok to switch when in motion? Sometimes it is difficult to pull off the road and stop as the route I travel has limited shoulder length.
I have never switched mode when driving, assuming that can’t be good for the transmission or engine but these engines already turn cylinders off and on in motion even towing. How can that be good lol!

 

[jfoj]

You can switch modes on the fly. If that was not something GM thought was a good idea, they would lock the feature out while in motion.

I believe Tow mode disables the Active Grille Shutters and alters the shift points and TCC engagement..

I have changed on the fly many times.

 

[Marky Dissod]

My question is - is it ok to switch when in motion?

YES! You also should slap around the schmendrick that gave you the idea that it isn't, seriously.
Entire point of Tow / Haul mode is to protect the powertrain from the extra load.
Tow / Haul mode is a bad idea is when you're trying to save every last drop of fuel.
When you're Towing / Hauling, it's the POINT.

... never switched mode when driving, assuming that can’t be good for the transmission or engine,
but these engines already turn cylinders off and on in motion even towing.

Switching to the mode that protects the transmission & reduces the amount of Cylinder Confusion should be done ASAP!
You should also make far more use of L9 mode, which drastically reduces the Cylinder Confusion duty cycle.

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

@WalleyeMikeIII

I would put fresh 0W40 oil in the truck before you take your trip, especially when towing.

@jfoj
Just stopped in my GMC dealer.

They have confirmed my vehicle will get the N*000 inspection and either a new engine or 0-40 oil recommendation. I asked if, given I have 1000+ mile towing trip on Thursday, if we can/should change the oil to 0-40. They spoke to shop foreman, he said if we do that, it could interfere/mask symptoms on the test. Seemed reasonable, so I requested we go ahead and do the inspection. Their hands are tied by GM, if they do it now, before my vehicle gets to “open status” (currently in “incomplete, remedy not available”), they don’t get paid.

My service advisor understands and empathizes with my dilemma. He is going to reach out to the district GM rep on Monday to see if they can open my VIN up to get this done before I leave (of course, if it fails, I’m begging for a loaner tow vehicle…). But, the advice from the Certified Master Tech is don’t change oil prior to inspection…

 

[Vladimir2306]

@jfoj
Just stopped in my GMC dealer.

They have confirmed my vehicle will get the N*000 inspection and either a new engine or 0-40 oil recommendation. I asked if, given I have 1000+ mile towing trip on Thursday, if we can/should change the oil to 0-40. They spoke to shop foreman, he said if we do that, it could interfere/mask symptoms on the test. Seemed reasonable, so I requested we go ahead and do the inspection. Their hands are tied by GM, if they do it now, before my vehicle gets to “open status” (currently in “incomplete, remedy not available”), they don’t get paid.

My service advisor understands and empathizes with my dilemma. He is going to reach out to the district GM rep on Monday to see if they can open my VIN up to get this done before I leave (of course, if it fails, I’m begging for a loaner tow vehicle…). But, the advice from the Certified Master Tech is don’t change oil prior to inspection…

I have been talking about this for a long time. Do not change the 0-40 oil yourself

 

[Stbentoak]

@jfoj
Just stopped in my GMC dealer.

They have confirmed my vehicle will get the N*000 inspection and either a new engine or 0-40 oil recommendation. I asked if, given I have 1000+ mile towing trip on Thursday, if we can/should change the oil to 0-40. They spoke to shop foreman, he said if we do that, it could interfere/mask symptoms on the test. Seemed reasonable, so I requested we go ahead and do the inspection. Their hands are tied by GM, if they do it now, before my vehicle gets to “open status” (currently in “incomplete, remedy not available”), they don’t get paid.

My service advisor understands and empathizes with my dilemma. He is going to reach out to the district GM rep on Monday to see if they can open my VIN up to get this done before I leave (of course, if it fails, I’m begging for a loaner tow vehicle…). But, the advice from the Certified Master Tech is don’t change oil prior to inspection…

I would personally just go rent an equivalent 2025 outside the danger zone and take the road hazard insurance, then let someone else's vehicle take the use and abuse.....