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With all the issues we've heard of lately about GM's shortcomings on vehicles that cost as much as a starter home, it makes me happy to still own vehicles I can repair. Within a few years, those that want the brand new, shiny stuff may be at the mercy of the stealership for just about anything....... Yikes!!!

Below is a link to an interesting article about some 2024 models of a different brand.


 

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That absolutely blows. I've been hearing about this before and it seems like it's going widespread.

What I don't get is why increase the prices but you get lower reliability and serviceability; it's like you pay more to get less. All in the name of cutting-edge technology, right? Mind boggling TBH.

Home appliances and manufactured goods are no better. It's getting sad :-(
 

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That absolutely blows. I've been hearing about this before and it seems like it's going widespread.

What I don't get is why increase the prices but you get lower reliability and serviceability; it's like you pay more to get less. All in the name of cutting-edge technology, right? Mind boggling TBH.

Home appliances and manufactured goods are no better. It's getting sad :-(
Robots building products, not humans. And DEI recruits observing the process....
 

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Many stories about the auto manufacture's ECU computer installs..... What else does that computer send through the air waves, and to who??
EXACTLY! Give me a GMT800 or GMT400 any time. Pretty easy to work on and plenty of info out there. Cold Dead Hands!!!!
 

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And the push for monthly charges for options that now just part of the purchase. Like buying a refrigerator that has a built in water filter that has to be changed every six months with a specially designed unit that has to come from the manufacturer, and sure not cheap. Heated seats, navigation, Onstar, wifi service, and who knows what's next.
 

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And the push for monthly charges for options that now just part of the purchase. Like buying a refrigerator that has a built in water filter that has to be changed every six months with a specially designed unit that has to come from the manufacturer, and sure not cheap. Heated seats, navigation, Onstar, wifi service, and who knows what's next.
But think of it this way, do you really need heated seats, navigation, Onstar, wifi service, etc...? How did we ever get by before? No thank you. It is bad enough they all track you with a cell phone.
 

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And the push for monthly charges for options that now just part of the purchase. Like buying a refrigerator that has a built in water filter that has to be changed every six months with a specially designed unit that has to come from the manufacturer, and sure not cheap. Heated seats, navigation, Onstar, wifi service, and who knows what's next.
in my '05, I disconnected my OnStar box, with an analog replacement. i can use the factory phone setup without the OnStar fees and no more sending of 'signals'.
 

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as it stands now at least you can still pay the $45 for 2 years of module programming thru techline, so that's a money saver all you need is a pc and a pass-thru device like a clone mdi2
gds2 (troubleshooting) is a bit more expensive at $65 for 3 days access, also used with a pass-thru device so there are still alternatives to the "dealer" at least for now
you can get hacked gds2 but it can be a pain in the behind to install and keep running, if you go that route use a dedicated pc that is only for diagnostic use just to be on the safe side

not by any means defending gm they are cheapskates and it shows in the product
compare metal thickness from a gmt800/900 to a k2 or later and that's just the start, the paint is crap the metal get's dinged with the slightest bump, door seals are better but that doesn't stop the road noise. seeing earlier failures on the overall product as well on everything from A~Z.

the paywall crap is just a money grab but eventually aftermarket will work around that
 

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cali passed a right to repair law that goes into effect next month but the details are murky, it appears to be for electronics mostly and they have to provide parts and tool kits for 7 years
no telling what they might charge for said parts/kits, nore if there is a core charge or any other type of requirements
it's like yes we have the part available it's $700, while a whole new unit is $750 lol
so no telling how that's going to work out
 

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With all the issues we've heard of lately about GM's shortcomings on vehicles that cost as much as a starter home, it makes me happy to still own vehicles I can repair. Within a few years, those that want the brand new, shiny stuff may be at the mercy of the stealership for just about anything....... Yikes!!!

Below is a link to an interesting article about some 2024 models of a different brand.


"Security". The word often invoked by corporations to force consumers to use their service for maintenance or basic functionality. Although I love their products, this is the same excuse Apple uses to stop people from installing apps on iPhones that don't come from the Apple App Store. Hopefully, the Supreme Court will overturn this.
 

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There's a cultural issue at hand here. We live in a world run by bankers. They buy up EVERYTHING because their currency is time. There's no need for them to be moral or even smart. They just need time. They've had many generations to accrue that wealth through usury. Now they can invent money and debt from nothing since we allowed them to create the federal reserve. They use this money (from nothing) to buy government, communities, schools, companies, media, essentially everything right from under our feet.

I got into politics a couple years ago and didn't like what I saw. People don't realize the underlying issues that influence our everyday world. We could flip the tide in a matter of months, if they did. However, they spend forever bickering with each other, even inside the party. Not productive whatsoever. While we let these bankers run everything and yet nobody really notices they exist to that extent. We're very akin to the frog in the frying pan.

I started picking apart the system and can see them buying up school curriculums, they are buying up houses (now we can rent if we're lucky), farm land, justice system, elections (any talk of cheating aside they can just buy election through marketing), etc. etc. etc. Here we see it with the cars...

I used to work in Aerospace industry. On some of the coolest project and biggest companies. However, there was ZERO creativity. They were wholly incapable of completing design projects to extent they have to outsource to smaller companies for most of the design work. Yet these companies are known for having developed some coolest designs in the world. Fastest jets, highest flying, heaviest lifting, building space capsules to go to moon, etc. Yet designing an cupholder is beyond them now. What I discovered was a vast majority if not all those designs were in their infancy when the founders were around, prior to becoming corporations / publicly traded.

They went public, essentially now owned by bankers, who's minds end at profit. They know nothing else, they sacrifice all for profit even if it's the demise of the company, their products, and their people. At best the people who own them don't know a thing about the product or customer base. If we are lucky they are there to scrape the profit and bleed the company dry of any creativity, innovation, or good merits. At worst which is more the norm now it's to spread diversity and inclusion... That is socially engineer, replace, and get rid of people who created this community we live in, including companies.

There's an interesting story about Henry Ford that's not well known. He built Ford motor company of course and did exceptionally well. He then started selling shares / went public. After this, he wanted to do profit sharing with his workers. The board said he had no authority to do so and kept the profits for themselves.

All the men of good moral character, the smart and enlightened men who were passionate about design, the hard working and capable builders. They're all gone, especially after several generations of being a public / corporation. They've been replaced by mindless bankers who's sole mission in life is profit at expense of all else which eventually leads to downfall.

Long story short, these companies we've come to know and love... They have no affinity for us anymore, nor do they care. They're not the people who made them. The people who created them would be sick to death if they only knew what the bankers did to their businesses.

Sorry for long post, but I've been trying to awaken people to this. Our political problems, issues in communities, much of them are linked by this same phenomenon. Bankers are buying up our modern world right from under our feet.

Corporate engineering is where creativity goes to die. I quit after 7 1/2 years. Now I fiddle with my truck haha Masters Degree all those years in aerospace and medical field. Now it all goes toward building an old broken down truck. I look at older trucks and they were better thought out than this new plastic fantastic stuff designed to fail after a few years so they can sell another.
 
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