Price gouging everywhere?

My 2021 Premier was MSRP +TTL. even with MSRP (mid 70’s as equipped) I had about 1/3 down payment even after paying off one of the trade ins….other was cash trade. My dealer was the same.would you take a dime down for deposit. The model was inbound and expected to arrive the following Saturday. I ran numbers Wednesday, ETA Saturday, actual arrival Thursday and took delivery Friday. Normally wouldn’t allow deposits or hold but the ETA was close enough to call it sold….directly off transporter and delivered with 4 miles on the odometer. 10 days from build date to dealer inventory….technically dealer inventory for delivery, PDI state inspection and customer delivery. LIterally on dealer lot about 24 hours.

YES MSRP was as a sting, but no markups. The only thing more guiltire than the dealers charging the markups……wait for it….are the customers paying iT. Sorry if that stings some of you but tough love is needed. Shop around and be patient. I went in not needing a Tahoe, in fact was looking for Yukon but this one was found by accident. About same price as loaded SLT and MUCH more available options. Did I mention about $5K less than High Country and $10K less than Denali…….. only major option missing is the 6.2…….with the price of 93 Octane approaching $4.00 that is a good thing…. Local dealers still have very limited Yukons….three at one dealer…all three sold at delivery. One at different dealer was a Orphan 2WD SLT….Loaded SLT but still 2WD and yes in TX fine, but I travel to east coast in the winter and the one time I need it I want it. The orphan 2WD SLT is fairly close to my vin sequence (about 11K numbers lower so 11k numbers senior/older). I know at least June because of the missing Auto Stop/Start, wireless charging pad and steering column lock.

Simple fact is supply and demand. If people are paying it then the customers are enabling the situation to continue. If they want to give you $25K more for trade value then maybe talk about markups but until then…don’t be afraid to walk.

Rumor has it that the full size 1/2 ton based SUV segment will receive yet another new entry.... the Dodge Durango if it is based on the Jeep Wagoneer.

With the 2022 revised Expedition, Jeep Wagoneer, Toyota Sequioa, and Dodge Durango as it's competition, I'm not sure the Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban will be able to command MSRP in 1-2 years. There's a possibility the segment will have a glut of supply. In 2-3 years, we may go back to an era where there are substantial discounts off MSRP.

Also, any word if the 2023 Tahoe/Yukon/Suburbans will have GM's SuperCruise?

Polo08816 said:

SCOOP: Next-Gen Dodge Durango To Share Architecture With Wagoneer!

About a month ago, the internet was flooded with comments after an article from the Automotive News suggested that the Chrysler 300 Series (LX) and the Dodge Durango (WD) were living on borrowed time and could be discontinued in 2023.

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Rumor has it that the full size 1/2 ton based SUV segment will receive yet another new entry.... the Dodge Durango if it is based on the Jeep Wagoneer.

With the 2022 revised Expedition, Jeep Wagoneer, Toyota Sequioa, and Dodge Durango as it's competition, I'm not sure the Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban will be able to command MSRP in 1-2 years. There's a possibility the segment will have a glut of supply. In 2-3 years, we may go back to an era where there are substantial discounts off MSRP.

Also, any word if the 2023 Tahoe/Yukon/Suburbans will have GM's SuperCruise?

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Yeah, the new Durango should fill the price gap between Tahoe and Wagoneer which has too high starting price. Adaptive cruise control is the must have feature for me so the only cheaper option is expedition but I don’t like the style.. I hope FCA can get a RAM 1500 like BOF suv with reasonable price.

There won’t be another one like mine.

YhEnThAlPy said:

Yeah, the new Durango should fill the price gap between Tahoe and Wagoneer which has too high starting price. Adaptive cruise control is the must have feature for me so the only cheaper option is expedition but I don’t like the style.. I hope FCA can get a RAM 1500 like BOF suv with reasonable price.

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I was sort of surprised by this announcement because I thought the Durango and Jeep GC shared the same frame. It looks like they may diverge which makes sense. The 1/2 ton based full size SUV market is hot.

We currently have a 22 denali on order with the tech pack, rear seat media, and the 2 trailer packages (thats all i pretty much wanted anyway.) Got a message from a dealer we had previously seen telling me they had a 22 ultimate coming in soon. Asked if they had any market adjustment added and he said yes, $7500. I told him that I'd cancel my order and come buy that from them today if they'd sell for msrp only. He said management won't even budge. I asked, even for only a 2k market adjustment? Yep, won't even negotiate at all. Ridiculous.

Luckily we aren't in a hurry. Currently have a 14 grand cherokee summit with 90k miles that is in good shape. I just hate the car. It's been reliable and no issues, I just don't think it's comfortable and hate the seats. I get agitated after more than 1 hr of driving it. We are planning on a lot of road trips from now on with all this covid ********, so we wanted a bigger more comfortable suv as I'm used to driving big trucks.

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We currently have a 22 denali on order with the tech pack, rear seat media, and the 2 trailer packages (thats all i pretty much wanted anyway.) Got a message from a dealer we had previously seen telling me they had a 22 ultimate coming in soon. Asked if they had any market adjustment added and he said yes, $7500. I told him that I'd cancel my order and come buy that from them today if they'd sell for msrp only. He said management won't even budge. I asked, even for only a 2k market adjustment? Yep, won't even negotiate at all. Ridiculous.

Luckily we aren't in a hurry. Currently have a 14 grand cherokee summit with 90k miles that is in good shape. I just hate the car. It's been reliable and no issues, I just don't think it's comfortable and hate the seats. I get agitated after more than 1 hr of driving it. We are planning on a lot of road trips from now on with all this covid ********, so we wanted a bigger more comfortable suv as I'm used to driving big trucks.

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I've had trucks and suvs since the 80s now I'm considering a luxury sedan for several reasons; same cost as a large suv, no mark ups if you shop around, 2 month delivery from germany at half the delivery fee, comfort and ease of driving, wish to be different, the series 5 is nice.

Quark said:

I've had trucks and suvs since the 80s now I'm considering a luxury sedan for several reasons; same cost as a large suv, no mark ups if you shop around, 2 month delivery from germany at half the delivery fee, comfort and ease of driving, wish to be different, the series 5 is nice.

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Reliability seems to be hit or miss, especially with BMW. Plus BMW must have rims made of silly putty. LOL!

My Jeep dealer had anew Grand Wagoneer on the lot. Stopped to take a look. Sales guy comes out and I said "that is $110K?" He just rolled his eyes and said "that's what I thought"....

22ohdenali said:

We currently have a 22 denali on order with the tech pack, rear seat media, and the 2 trailer packages (thats all i pretty much wanted anyway.) Got a message from a dealer we had previously seen telling me they had a 22 ultimate coming in soon. Asked if they had any market adjustment added and he said yes, $7500. I told him that I'd cancel my order and come buy that from them today if they'd sell for msrp only. He said management won't even budge. I asked, even for only a 2k market adjustment? Yep, won't even negotiate at all. Ridiculous.

Luckily we aren't in a hurry. Currently have a 14 grand cherokee summit with 90k miles that is in good shape. I just hate the car. It's been reliable and no issues, I just don't think it's comfortable and hate the seats. I get agitated after more than 1 hr of driving it. We are planning on a lot of road trips from now on with all this covid ********, so we wanted a bigger more comfortable suv as I'm used to driving big trucks.

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Reliability seems to be hit or miss, especially with BMW. Plus BMW must have rims made of silly putty. LOL!

My Jeep dealer had anew Grand Wagoneer on the lot. Stopped to take a look. Sales guy comes out and I said "that is $110K?" He just rolled his eyes and said "that's what I thought"....

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Reliability of late has improved and seriously compared to GM might be better and with 4 year warranty I'll take my chances. The i6 is very reliable and economical with great power when needed. Handling and ride are far superior.

The 20" rims with run flat tires don't take pot holes easily and can bend rims. The fix is wheel and tire insurance or stick with 19" and switch to non run flat tires for a smoother and quieter ride.

Compared to Jeep prices the 5 series luxury car is an economical alternative. I think it's a done deal. Keep the Tahoe for back up duty and hop in the 540i for long trips. Time to switch it up a bit.

Quark said:

I've had trucks and suvs since the 80s now I'm considering a luxury sedan for several reasons; same cost as a large suv, no mark ups if you shop around, 2 month delivery from germany at half the delivery fee, comfort and ease of driving, wish to be different, the series 5 is nice.

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I got a pretty loaded BMW X5 45E plug in hybrid about a year ago. It’s one of my favorite cars I’ve ever owned. Tows well, fast, comfortable. It was between that and a yuke, and I got about $10k off MSRP on the BMW plus a $7500 federal tax credit for being a PHEV, and the best I could do with a yuke was $2k off MSRP. Anyway, the X5 drives like a car, sits higher, tows, and has room in-between a car and a large SUV. I’m still shopping for a yuke (to replace a Sienna), but I’m waiting for prices to drop (also still can’t decide between 6.2 and the duramax).