From smooth to limp mode and P0700 code

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2008 Yukon Denali, 6.2 L, 157K. All fluids maintained. I was feeling so good about the brake job yesterday as I rolled into town with a nice, smooth stop. That's when it happened. I stepped on the gas to leave the stop sign... a surge of power and RPMs with an immediate check engine light and loss of power going into limp mode. Still able to drive ok a few blocks home, went up the driveway and hooked up my reader, getting the P0700 code. It's going to my local shop in the morning. What are your bets? I'll report back.
 

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I'm getting the same code. Looks like its the transmission throwing that code along with P0776. TCM Transmission Control Module and Clutch Pressure Control Solenoid 2 Stuck off. I'm not a mechanic. Mine only happens when the weather is hot 90 degrees or better. A friend let me use his FIXD plug in module and it allowed me to not only see the code but also "clear" the check engine light so that I could make home. Once cleared the truck ran fine until the weather got hot again a few days later. Here's a couple of screenshots. I'll take it to a transmission shop to see what price they'll "slap" me with to repair it.

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I'm getting the same code. Looks like its the transmission throwing that code along with P0776. TCM Transmission Control Module and Clutch Pressure Control Solenoid 2 Stuck off. I'm not a mechanic. Mine only happens when the weather is hot 90 degrees or better. A friend let me use his FIXD plug in module and it allowed me to not only see the code but also "clear" the check engine light so that I could make home. Once cleared the truck ran fine until the weather got hot again a few days later. Here's a couple of screenshots. I'll take it to a transmission shop to see what price they'll "slap" me with to repair it.

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I can clear the code but decided not to because I want to address the issue with my shop. It'll be interesting to see what the professional diagnostic comes up with. I'm mentally preparing for the worst (assuming transmission), but hoping of course for some silver lining. We'll have to compare notes. I'm not sure of secondary codes, but it definitely is in safe mode, so I'll limp it in and wait for the news.
 
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Not sure if anyone will read this, but just reporting back. My transmission is shot. Heats up after 20 minutes and solenoids act up causing the shifting problems. I talked through a few options with my shop and have decided to go with a remanufactured transmission, 3 yrs/unlimited mile warranty. It of course includes all new parts, including updated design on parts that were known to be problem in the original transmission. CV axle is also open at the boot and slinging grease so I'll have them take care of that at the same time. It'll get new cooler lines, etc. Everything happening is about $4,950 parts/labor.
 

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Not sure if anyone will read this, but just reporting back. My transmission is shot. Heats up after 20 minutes and solenoids act up causing the shifting problems. I talked through a few options with my shop and have decided to go with a remanufactured transmission, 3 yrs/unlimited mile warranty. It of course includes all new parts, including updated design on parts that were known to be problem in the original transmission. CV axle is also open at the boot and slinging grease so I'll have them take care of that at the same time. It'll get new cooler lines, etc. Everything happening is about $4,950 parts/labor.

Sorry to hear you have to replace your transmission. That’s a bummer.
 
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Sorry to hear you have to replace your transmission. That’s a bummer.
Thanks! I always imagined I'd get some sort of forewarning... like the transmission would begin to slip, etc. My reality check is that it just failed, no forewarning. From smooth to failure. I did fluid changes as recommended, so I was surprised. As expensive as it is, as I thought through my options, it's still a no-brainer to fix it and not cheap out on other options (i.e. used transmission, attempt to replace parts). Maybe I'll get another 100K out of it... who knows? Body is in overall good shape and I take care of all maintenance items. Just need to roll the dice on this one.
 

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Is the shop one that you have used several times and trust their diagnostic? I am very surprised that the problem came on like that with no warning. Thoughts on another shop looking at it?

Code P0700 Meaning
Many cars have a control module for the automatic transmission called the transmission control module (TCM). The TCM monitors the sensors and actuators relating to transmission control and communicates with the Engine Control Module (ECM) to inform it of any possible issues with the automatic transmission control module. The trouble code P0700 is set whenever the TCM detects a malfunction with the transmission controls.

Symptoms
  • Check Engine Light
  • Drivability issues
  • Bad fuel economy
  • Transmission shifting problems
  • Fail safe mode
Causes
  • Defective shift solenoids
  • Defective engine coolant sensor
  • Shorted or open circuit Transmission Control Module (TCM)
  • Faulty Transmission Control Module (TCM)




I just keep seeing that it likely is something controlling the trans and not just a trans failure by itself.



The DTC P0700 – Transmission Control System – Electrical, simply means that something went wrong in the electrical system that controls the automatic transmission. It is a generic trouble code that every vehicle using OBD-II has in common.

There should always be another code stored in conjunction with P0700. That will be the key, solve that other problem and usually P0700 goes away.

The TCM monitors all of the actions electronically and mechanically of an automatic transmission. It analyzes several inputs from sensors, makes millisecond decisions, then controls several more outputs to hydraulic valves and solenoids and does all of this while keeping an eye on several more stats from the Engine Control Module (ECM).

How Serious is a P0700 Code?
The question is, how serious is the underlying condition that produced this code? A second code will provide more information on the cause of any problems. The second DTC can be from the TCM or ECM. If the vehicle is not experiencing any obvious drivability issues, the DTC may have been set from an anomaly or simply a discharged battery. This is a general code that does not always point to the immediate cause of failure. Taking note of any other symptoms will help with further diagnostics.

P0700 Symptoms
Here are some common symptoms for P0700. Remember that your vehicle may experience some or none of these behaviors.

  • Check Engine Light illuminated
  • Degraded transmission performance
  • Abnormal shifting
  • Harsh shifting
  • Delayed response when changing gears
  • Limp Home Mode – limits vehicle to one gear and speed limit in order to get the car to a repair shop (limp home)
  • Fluid leak/burning smell from transmission area – usually red / brownish color / black
Causes of P0700
Depending on the make, model and year of vehicle the causes will vary. Manufacturers use unique electrical designs and engineering so a DTC can mean different things to different vehicles.

These are some of the more common causes associated with P0700 being set.

How to Diagnose the P0700 Code?
To properly diagnose this code you will need a computer/scanner, a volt/ohm/amp meter (multi-meter) and probably a wiring schematic. The vehicle should first be road tested to verify concerns and gather data.

Some DTC code readers will only give generic codes and not sub group specific. You may have to take it to a repair shop that has the proper equipment to read your vehicle’s subsystem codes.

First try clearing the code. Before you erase it, write down all present codes, snapshot any data is about to be cleared and any info from the first road test. If the codes will clear and not return during final road test, the code may have been set by an anomaly or glitch such as a sticky solenoid, valve or erratic sensor reading. Studying freeze frame data might provide insight to the conditions that set the code.

If the codes immediately return or come back consistently on road tests you will have to thoroughly inspect the affected circuit related to the DTC’s. This may require access to internal parts of the transmission as some solenoids and connectors will only be accessible with the transmission oil pan removed.

Common Mistakes When Diagnosing P0700
Under Diagnose
Don’t clear the code and assume because it doesn’t come right back that the vehicle is fixed. A small problem may become a big one.

Over Diagnose
Not getting all codes and data that set the P0700 code and recommending extensive repair — when a wire repair, TCM or sensor replacement would have fixed it.

What Repairs Will Fix the P0700 Code?
 
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Thank you for your thoughts. Yes, I do trust this shop as they worked on the vehicle ever since I owned it, in addition to other past vehicles. It's a reputable GM preferred shop. There were several specific transmission codes that come up on their scans in addition to the P0700. They were able to clear the codes, which returned after 20 minutes of warming up on several tests. They were able to rule out the TCM, external electrical issues and sensors through their diagnostics before condemning the transmission. I also thought there would be some forewarning, but this seems to be a case of really bad luck considering it's been running smooth and been well taken care of in terms of fluid/filter change intervals, driving habits, towing always well within specs, etc. I'm still a little stunned, but I trust the diagnosis of the shop and feel satisfied with all the explanations. I really appreciate you taking the time to share this info and raise these questions.
 

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When I read the post it did not say anything about having other codes and going thru the basics of diagnosing them and narrowing down to the trans itself so I decided to bring that all up.
 
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When I read the post it did not say anything about having other codes and going thru the basics of diagnosing them and narrowing down to the trans itself so I decided to bring that all up.
That's awesome and very appreciated! I actually didn't learn of the other codes until last night. Also, after you posted I called the GM at the shop and went over the points you listed just to double check. He was great about talking it through again. Thank you! People like you keep me active on this forum.
 
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