More than ever confusion

Rdr854 said:

I use one of those grocery boxes that fold up. They keep my groceries from rolling around the trunk of my car or the tailgate area of an SUV. When not in use, I just fold it up and store it under the floor.

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swathdiver said:

The net I bought for the Yukon is an envelope style, I can some grocery bags in it to keep them from rolling around behind the net.

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My fold up nylon grocery thingey has a stiff cardboard bottom with Velcro on it. It sticks to the carpeting in back. The net is handy too, sometimes.

I actually have the cargo liner shown below from my previous Jeep Grand Cherokee. It is NOT a perfect fit and leaves about 4 inches exposed on each side but not terribly noticeable with my black interior. It is flexible, yet thick enough with deep groves to contain small amounts of liquid. Best part is, I can still use my rear seats in a pinch; it simply rolls up. When something is put on the mat, it doesn't move. I wish someone would come up with something similar that actually fits, but MUCH better than the Weathertech, etc where stuff slides all over the place. Dumb thing is that GM makes the perfect cargo/rear seat liner for the Acadia but not our vehicles. I also use a cargo net.

Manufacture's tend to leap frog each other with each new generation of vehicles. I love my Denali but the new Expedition in most reviews is rated higher then the current Suburban/Yukon models. It is a nicely designed SUV. However, it is good advice to wait a year before buying a new model.
On a personal level and maybe my bad luck, but I had issues with the three Fords that I had and the warranty response from Ford. It would take a lot for me to buy another Ford.

orchidcrazy said:

I wish someone would come up with something similar that actually fits, but MUCH better than the Weathertech, etc where stuff slides all over the place. Dumb thing is that GM makes the perfect cargo/rear seat liner for the Acadia but not our vehicles. I also use a cargo net.

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GM makes/made a nice one for the GMT900s, 17803355. We use this with the envelope net.

swathdiver said:

GM makes/made a nice one for the GMT900s, 17803355. We use this with the envelope net.

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Does this easily fold so the 3rd row in a SWB can be used while in place? And is it slippery like the Weathertech? My Jeep 'Rugged Ridge' one is thick with deep grooves to hold stuff, has grippers on the bottom so it doesn't budge and has a non-skid surface on it so whatever you place on it stays there. Just bugs me that it has a Jeep logo on it - haha!

orchidcrazy said:

Does this easily fold so the 3rd row in a SWB can be used while in place? And is it slippery like the Weathertech? My Jeep 'Rugged Ridge' one is thick with deep grooves to hold stuff, has grippers on the bottom so it doesn't budge and has a non-skid surface on it so whatever you place on it stays there. Just bugs me that it has a Jeep logo on it - haha!

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The factory tray that we had for our Montana was like that, very heavy and didn't go anywhere. This tray doesn't move but it fits perfect. Items on top are not apt to slide around but they do during tight turns or sudden stops and it can fold but would not be ideal in a Tahoe. GM makes one for the Tahoe but without the 3rd row (17803352). Husky makes one that goes under the 3rd row so when the seat is folded the whole tray is available. Then I saw this, 22823333, worth checking out I think.

dbbd1 said:

My fold up nylon grocery thingey has a stiff cardboard bottom with Velcro on it. It sticks to the carpeting in back. The net is handy too, sometimes.

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I have a stiff thingy too

No replacement for displacement is law of the land until ... electric drivetrains are better laid out or hydrogen fuel cells meet up with automobile technology.

Don’t get me wrong, gas, diesel and even nitro meth have earned their place as kings of cars, but obviously, I’d rather have an X-34 land speeder to commute and use my Mr. Fusion to power it for pennies a day



I’ll save the fossil fuel vehicles for cars and coffee, an occasional ride to work or investments because they’re so frick’n rewarding to restore, modify and enjoy. Once you overcome the odds of getting them to work or Frankenstein a ride to do something it was never meant to do, it’s in the top 10 with sex.

It’s a funny thing about adding a V8 to a Jag, Porsche 914 or a modern VW I4 water cooled motor to a air cooled VW Vangon, they become reliable, preform amazing, require less serv/maint and actually get better mileage.

Mileage is where I’m going here. Paul Newman & Letterman had 400 hp 5.0 V8’s stuffed in Volvo 960 wagons. If they were driven like the standard drivetrain 960, they got better mileage, obviously drove better as RWD and everything lasted longer because it was overbuilt and overpowered with known, bulletproof drivetrain components.



Now take the 3.5L TT Motor Ford has hopped up to MATCH its former V8 5.4L motor 310hp/345tq V8 that they stopped evolving.

That old Ford 5.4L had 57 hp per litre
The GM 6.2L has 65/67 hp per litre
The Eco 3.5 has 114 hp per litre (400hp)

GM 6.2L has 11.5:1 c/r
Eco 3.5L has 10.5:1 c/r + 15/16 psi boost

Ward's says that the twin-turbo six-pot has to work harder than the V8 to get up to speed, and that constant toil takes a toll on the mileage.

Now the obvious white elephant question. How does a 10.5:1 15psi 400 hp engine wear tugging a 5692 lb AWD SUV around? What does an ecotech think about towing up a mountain or in 100* heat with the a/c on?

All that heat has got to go somewhere. If the motor gets heat soaked, will it wear prematurely and obviously cut back the power delivery to avoid self-destructing.

I hope this EcoBoost thing works out.






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The new Ford Expedition is Tomorrows SUV that will have a few issues with all the new electronics and engine drivetrain, first year vehicle great to lease, not buy. Current GMC Denali is yesterdays SUV that has gone through it's own growing pains and in 2 years will be an old design and old configuration, again if leasing, probably a better move again. If purchasing to own, probably would choose the Denali, but if the wife likes the Expedition, then better to make the wife happy! I have never been a Ford fan, their interior always seems a bit dated to me and plastic that always seems a bit too large...texture and vents etc. GM seems to always improve the inside in a tasteful manner, but that is just my opinion, too each his own. Also, Ford drills way too many holes in their vehicles for logos and emblems, I love that you can strip a GM and not have to weld up holes and repaint half the car. Hopefully someone at Ford will someday become familiar with 3m tape! LOL!
Good Luck! Cheers!!!

Galante said:

I have a stiff thingy too

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With cardboard? A shame...